Episode #9: In Conversation with Kizomba DJ Galo

[00:00:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Hello Kizomba friends, just a quick notice before we jump into Episode 9 of Kizomba Conversations.

[00:00:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Now we love speaking with our guests in the studio, however we know that Kizomba is a

[00:00:11] [SPEAKER_02]: global phenomenon and connecting with everyone in person isn't always possible.

[00:00:16] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's why we're excited to bring you our very first online edition of Kizomba

[00:00:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Conversations.

[00:00:21] [SPEAKER_02]: We are thrilled to welcome the one and only Mr DJ Galo all the way from Germany.

[00:00:27] [SPEAKER_02]: So we hope you enjoy this online episode.

[00:00:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Hello Kizomba enthusiasts and welcome back to another episode of Kizomba Conversations.

[00:00:36] [SPEAKER_02]: As always I'm your host Victor and we're back with another amazing guest.

[00:00:41] [SPEAKER_02]: We have Mr DJ Galo with us today.

[00:00:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Now his sets are amazing, his passion for and energy for Kizomba is out of this world

[00:00:52] [SPEAKER_02]: and you'll definitely be moving your feet when he's on the decks.

[00:00:55] [SPEAKER_02]: So let's welcome Mr DJ Galo.

[00:00:57] [SPEAKER_02]: How are you doing sir?

[00:00:59] [SPEAKER_00]: I am fantastic sir, thank you so much for having me.

[00:01:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much for having me.

[00:01:03] [SPEAKER_00]: First of all shout out to you guys, shout out to Kizomba Conversations.

[00:01:07] [SPEAKER_00]: We need a lot more platforms or podcasts like this, you know, get the conversation going,

[00:01:14] [SPEAKER_00]: expand Kizomba culture in its whole.

[00:01:16] [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, thank you so much my friend.

[00:01:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much.

[00:01:19] [SPEAKER_02]: No worries, the pleasure is ours and like you say it's exactly about that,

[00:01:23] [SPEAKER_02]: it's about the conversation and we're trying to spread the joy of Kizomba to as many people

[00:01:26] [SPEAKER_02]: as we can and interview great guests like yourself and obviously you're a super DJ.

[00:01:31] [SPEAKER_02]: So we're excited, very excited about what you've got to say and your journey.

[00:01:36] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah, I've been blessed in a sense to say that I always say that Kizomba to me is a hobby

[00:01:45] [SPEAKER_00]: that just happens to provide me with perks.

[00:01:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm very humble for that.

[00:01:50] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not complaining at all.

[00:01:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I've considered making a full time career, but due to its volatility, not yet.

[00:02:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, OK, well, you've got a great hobby, great, great hobby.

[00:02:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, like I said, it's a very great hobby that provided with awesome perks

[00:02:10] [SPEAKER_00]: and I'm very humble and thankful that it does.

[00:02:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Fantastic, fantastic.

[00:02:16] [SPEAKER_02]: All right, man, well, let's get into it.

[00:02:18] [SPEAKER_02]: OK, let's get into it and find out a bit about you.

[00:02:21] [SPEAKER_02]: So what I like to do normally is I like to find out a bit about who you are.

[00:02:24] [SPEAKER_02]: So even before we get into Kizomba, so talk to us people watching, people listening,

[00:02:31] [SPEAKER_02]: you know, a bit about your background, family, where you're from, anything you want to share.

[00:02:34] [SPEAKER_02]: So who is Mr. Gallo?

[00:02:36] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm Gallo.

[00:02:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Originally, I started at Kizomba as a DJ.

[00:02:40] [SPEAKER_00]: I eventually progressed myself to an organizer as well.

[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm where I'm from.

[00:02:47] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a little bit complex, but I'll just quickly run you through.

[00:02:50] [SPEAKER_00]: I was born in one place.

[00:02:52] [SPEAKER_00]: I grew up half in one place and half in another, meaning I was born in Cape Verde

[00:02:57] [SPEAKER_00]: and I grew up in Angola and Canada.

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Right? In Angola was my childhood.

[00:03:04] [SPEAKER_00]: My Canada was my youth and adulthood.

[00:03:07] [SPEAKER_00]: That's basically all in a nutshell.

[00:03:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. But obviously I'm always in touch.

[00:03:12] [SPEAKER_00]: My mom, she's she's Angolan and my father's Cape Verdean.

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm always obviously I some people say I have the best of both worlds

[00:03:22] [SPEAKER_00]: in a sense when it comes to the culture and then, hey, I have to take it.

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I'm very enthusiastic.

[00:03:29] [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm very, very passionate about music, particularly Kizomba, Kizomba music.

[00:03:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Something that I grew up my whole life with.

[00:03:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Needless to say, I can't just say I no longer want this.

[00:03:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm like, like I always try to say, I'm a DJ before anything else.

[00:03:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Right? Before being an organizer, before being a Kizomba enthusiast,

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_00]: I am a DJ, right?

[00:03:57] [SPEAKER_00]: It just so happened that my specialty is African music such as Kizomba.

[00:04:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Fantastic. And yeah, that's that.

[00:04:05] [SPEAKER_00]: That's that's basically the nutshell.

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Fantastic. So you are from the birthplace of Angola, basically.

[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_00]: They're correct.

[00:04:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. Well, I'm sorry.

[00:04:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the birthplace of Kizomba, which is Angola.

[00:04:16] [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I meant to say. Absolutely. Yeah.

[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. Wow. OK. All right.

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Cool. And you said you were in Canada as well for some time.

[00:04:23] [SPEAKER_00]: So Canada is where I basically my it was my youth,

[00:04:28] [SPEAKER_00]: youth in adulthood was all in Canada, right?

[00:04:32] [SPEAKER_00]: My mom immigrated to Canada.

[00:04:34] [SPEAKER_00]: I was still early on and that's but now I'm currently in Germany.

[00:04:38] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm OK. I know it sounds like I'm currently in Germany

[00:04:42] [SPEAKER_00]: because this is where I currently I currently work here.

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. I'm just here and still honor that out.

[00:04:48] [SPEAKER_00]: But fantastic.

[00:04:49] [SPEAKER_02]: OK, well, Kizomba spreads to all those places anyway.

[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_02]: So we'll talk about that in a minute. OK.

[00:04:53] [SPEAKER_02]: So talk to us about DJ and how did you get into DJing

[00:04:57] [SPEAKER_02]: and what drew you to it?

[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_00]: OK, so now DJing it started really early.

[00:05:03] [SPEAKER_00]: So originally as my first big gig was in 2004.

[00:05:07] [SPEAKER_00]: But for that in high school, what happened is I used to like to throw

[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_00]: house parties, right?

[00:05:13] [SPEAKER_00]: I used to like to throw house parties and I'll just try to

[00:05:17] [SPEAKER_00]: not take too much time to tell my story how I started.

[00:05:20] [SPEAKER_00]: In high school, we always they always was a party committee,

[00:05:24] [SPEAKER_00]: right? That will through the host to dance,

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_00]: the school dance parties, right?

[00:05:31] [SPEAKER_00]: And I was never part of that committee.

[00:05:33] [SPEAKER_00]: OK. All this quote unquote, the rival of the school.

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_00]: So whenever there was a school dance, I would throw my own house party.

[00:05:39] [SPEAKER_01]: OK, right?

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know.

[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_00]: There was just something about me never being in tune with the school dance.

[00:05:46] [SPEAKER_00]: So every time there was a school dance at my school,

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I would throw a house party and surprisingly enough,

[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_00]: all the kids would come to my house party.

[00:05:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, we're cute. That's right.

[00:05:54] [SPEAKER_00]: I know it would always however I want, there was

[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's like third year.

[00:06:00] [SPEAKER_00]: It was this was grade 11.

[00:06:01] [SPEAKER_00]: One of my one of the teachers, which was part of the party committee,

[00:06:06] [SPEAKER_00]: he realized what was happening.

[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_00]: So he calls me to be part of the party committee as cool.

[00:06:12] [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't understand at the time,

[00:06:13] [SPEAKER_00]: but that was his way of kind of blocking me from doing my private party.

[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't get that at the time.

[00:06:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that was doing a house.

[00:06:21] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that it was it was basically a genius touch from his end

[00:06:26] [SPEAKER_00]: that decided, hey, you know what?

[00:06:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Why don't you be part of the party committee

[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_00]: and let you run the whole thing?

[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_00]: We have a little budget here.

[00:06:35] [SPEAKER_00]: You run the whole thing.

[00:06:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Just make sure to keep everything PG so on and so forth.

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. I went on.

[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_00]: I like I gave my all I went on.

[00:06:43] [SPEAKER_00]: And the only thing is this is this was a funny thing.

[00:06:46] [SPEAKER_00]: I had flyers made like I made I I made sure that there was flyers for the party.

[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_00]: The only thing is school desk.

[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_00]: You can only invite people from your school school,

[00:06:56] [SPEAKER_00]: but I was not thinking that.

[00:06:58] [SPEAKER_00]: OK, not being flyers in a bunch of different schools.

[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_00]: OK.

[00:07:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Long story short.

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_00]: A bunch of people at our school dance from other schools

[00:07:07] [SPEAKER_00]: and it was not pretty.

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it was not afterwards.

[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_00]: It's not pretty because yeah, I kind of yeah.

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's really good.

[00:07:15] [SPEAKER_02]: That's really good.

[00:07:16] [SPEAKER_02]: So you obviously had a lot of people attending those right?

[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_00]: It was parties more than we should because yeah, we have more than we should.

[00:07:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, because kids from it wasn't all it back in the

[00:07:25] [SPEAKER_00]: way we call it old age parties, right?

[00:07:28] [SPEAKER_00]: From other school came that we're not supposed to be there.

[00:07:31] [SPEAKER_00]: And it was just a bunch of kids.

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_00]: It was a great part in terms of turnout.

[00:07:36] [SPEAKER_00]: It was great, but it wasn't very happy about.

[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Moving forward from that, I was like,

[00:07:43] [SPEAKER_00]: I've started to do house parties, but my friends, they were like, hey,

[00:07:47] [SPEAKER_00]: why don't you stop playing the music at your own house parties?

[00:07:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. And I would play the music on my own house parties.

[00:07:54] [SPEAKER_00]: And it kind of progressive from that.

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_00]: I actually had a neck for I had a tune for music

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_00]: for putting music together so on and so forth.

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. And he just continued to progress from there.

[00:08:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Then I became this was pretty quick.

[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_00]: I became the DJ, one of the main DJs for the Angolan community

[00:08:13] [SPEAKER_00]: and the Cape Verde community at the same time.

[00:08:15] [SPEAKER_00]: In. Oh, wow. Right.

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Wow. It was every time there was an Angolan Independence Day party.

[00:08:22] [SPEAKER_00]: They would call me or Cape Verde Independence Day party.

[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_00]: They would call me.

[00:08:26] [SPEAKER_00]: So it was like it kind of worked in my favor that way.

[00:08:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. So that was that.

[00:08:33] [SPEAKER_00]: And I also was hosting the thing is I would not be able to host good

[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_00]: mainstream parties, right?

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Because the competition was just fearless, right?

[00:08:42] [SPEAKER_00]: It's North America.

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Me hosting a hip hop and I and B party or whatever.

[00:08:46] [SPEAKER_00]: I would do it, but it was it would not have the turnout

[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_00]: that I was always expecting.

[00:08:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Or no, it was as as I would like it to be, right?

[00:08:56] [SPEAKER_00]: But every time I had like a Kizombo party.

[00:08:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Like a Valentine party or Halloween, we call it Carnival party

[00:09:02] [SPEAKER_00]: or Carnival party.

[00:09:04] [SPEAKER_00]: The turnout was always great, right?

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_00]: So I was like, OK, maybe I should just stick to this lane.

[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Ah, OK, OK.

[00:09:12] [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't by accident.

[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_00]: It was actually by the side.

[00:09:14] [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, OK, maybe I'm just going to stick to this thing

[00:09:16] [SPEAKER_00]: because not only I understand the music, I know the people

[00:09:19] [SPEAKER_00]: because back in the days, you have to send text message

[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_00]: to people saying my party, right?

[00:09:24] [SPEAKER_00]: So it would and it would speak to me more, to be very honest, right?

[00:09:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Although I love hip hop, R&B and all that.

[00:09:30] [SPEAKER_00]: But Kizombo would always speak to me more because yeah, it would

[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_00]: always speak to me more.

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_00]: So that's basically how I started as a DJ, right?

[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a true DJ.

[00:09:40] [SPEAKER_02]: That amateur DJ.

[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, back at school, man, for those parties, that's that's wicked.

[00:09:44] [SPEAKER_02]: That's a great story.

[00:09:46] [SPEAKER_02]: So I want to ask you then so because you mentioned Kate

[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Ward and Angola and the community.

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_02]: So did you so how was it bringing those communities together?

[00:09:54] [SPEAKER_00]: So surprisingly enough, not surprisingly, obviously, the one thing

[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_00]: that Angolians and Cape Verdeans have in common is the music, right?

[00:10:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Angola for a period of time consumed a lot of Cape Verdean music,

[00:10:08] [SPEAKER_00]: right? This was the era of Cabo Zook we call it, right?

[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_00]: We can even get a zoo.

[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_00]: We consume a lot of Cape Verdean music, right?

[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_00]: And that that in itself at home, for example,

[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_00]: at home, my grandma always never spoke Portuguese.

[00:10:25] [SPEAKER_00]: My home, my grandma's from Cape Verdean.

[00:10:27] [SPEAKER_00]: She was spoke Creole.

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_00]: So at home, I would I would listen to something which is

[00:10:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Cape Verdean music whenever I opened the door to go outside.

[00:10:35] [SPEAKER_00]: It was all Angolan music, right?

[00:10:39] [SPEAKER_00]: And then sometimes obviously a lot of times I would hear the same music

[00:10:42] [SPEAKER_00]: in and outside of the home, right?

[00:10:44] [SPEAKER_00]: That sound that both of them have in common, whether it's Cabo

[00:10:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Zook or even Zook.

[00:10:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Right? So that's the reason why it has

[00:10:52] [SPEAKER_00]: never been difficult for me to be either in a Cape Verdean space

[00:10:55] [SPEAKER_00]: or in an Angolan space.

[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_00]: It has never been difficult for me.

[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Fantastic. And it's great that you can

[00:11:03] [SPEAKER_02]: cross reference and do that.

[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_02]: That's that's that's cool. That's great.

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_02]: So you also mentioned that you like other styles, you know, hip hop.

[00:11:11] [SPEAKER_02]: It just happens that you blend yourself well to Kazumba.

[00:11:15] [SPEAKER_02]: So in your opinion then, what sets Kazumba apart from other music styles?

[00:11:20] [SPEAKER_02]: What why does it speak to you?

[00:11:21] [SPEAKER_00]: So to me, my in my personal opinion, it's just the culture.

[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Right? As I know, I grew up, my adult and youth life was in Canada.

[00:11:30] [SPEAKER_00]: However, there's the culture that are you born with.

[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_00]: There's there's your your your literally day to day after school.

[00:11:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Right? And that would be listen to my mom's music

[00:11:40] [SPEAKER_00]: or listen to my grandma's music. Right?

[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_00]: That that's something that is instilled with me like from from from from birth.

[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_00]: So and it was always every time I would go to a hip hop and R&B party or dance hall.

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_00]: It was great. It was cool.

[00:11:56] [SPEAKER_00]: But it's there's not that sense of this is where I belong.

[00:12:01] [SPEAKER_00]: If that OK, yeah. Right? Yeah.

[00:12:04] [SPEAKER_00]: I've always felt, hey, I like I can somewhat identify to this

[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_00]: because this is my youth and so on and so forth.

[00:12:10] [SPEAKER_00]: But there was never the sense of belonging, if you will.

[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_00]: And every time I'm at a Kazumba party or a community

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Angolan party or OK, very important.

[00:12:20] [SPEAKER_00]: It was I didn't have to do that, that exercise, whether I belong here or not.

[00:12:25] [SPEAKER_00]: OK. It was just natural.

[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Natural. Yeah. Right.

[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Belong. Right? OK.

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. So you fit into it.

[00:12:31] [SPEAKER_02]: OK, no. And that's amazing too. That's amazing too.

[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_02]: So then all right, I want to ask you a question then.

[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_02]: So obviously we talked about, you know, school, those parties building that up.

[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Right. So now you're becoming

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_02]: established DJ. And I know it's a hobby, but obviously you're doing it.

[00:12:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And we see you all around the world or you know, you're DJing internationally.

[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_02]: So I want to bring it to when not when it starts becoming work,

[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_02]: but when when it starts becoming, you know, OK, right,

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_02]: this is almost like a profession now.

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm trying to get to your first time for you that you DJed.

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_02]: And I want to know how that was, how the nerves were.

[00:13:12] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, OK, yeah. What are we doing?

[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_00]: First time the first time that I actually DJed and was paid for it.

[00:13:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, OK, maybe I should have said that.

[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Because the Angolan parties, they would pay me, but it was more

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_00]: it wasn't really for being a DJ.

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_00]: They would give me the money to rent the speakers to rent

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_00]: and whatever's left over you get to keep.

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_00]: It was never a natural. OK, here we're paying for you to come here,

[00:13:39] [SPEAKER_00]: put your music and get out. It was never that right.

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_00]: So the first thing so there was a club near in Toronto.

[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Never forget the name, we call Trinport because it was a Trinport

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_00]: because it was a Trinidad and Tobago club club. OK.

[00:13:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Now, surprisingly, Trinidad and Tobago, they listen to CaliPso and Zook.

[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, they listen to that kind of music, right? Yes.

[00:14:01] [SPEAKER_00]: I remember going to that to the place once and I heard you.

[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh, I know, Zook.

[00:14:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Mm hmm.

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_00]: And the thing about knowing Zook is that at time, even the Caribbean,

[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_00]: they do listen to Angolan music too.

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_00]: They do listen to Cape Verde music.

[00:14:17] [SPEAKER_00]: That's what I found out, too. Right.

[00:14:19] [SPEAKER_00]: And at that time, one of the most popular song that I didn't know

[00:14:23] [SPEAKER_00]: that Caribbean people loved from Angola was Chicia Tarashea.

[00:14:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Ah, OK.

[00:14:29] [SPEAKER_00]: I was really surprised.

[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_00]: The reason why I knew that is because there I was at the club,

[00:14:34] [SPEAKER_00]: listening to them playing Zook, CaliPso or whatever, one now.

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_00]: And the owner, this guy, the owner, he I talked to him.

[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, hey, you know what?

[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_00]: I know this music.

[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_00]: If you ever want a DJ or whatever, I can come and play this music.

[00:14:46] [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, where are you from?

[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, yeah, I'm from Angolan Cape Verde.

[00:14:49] [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, Angolan.

[00:14:50] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, yeah, it's like I love the song Chicia.

[00:14:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, why don't you know that?

[00:14:54] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, Chicia, the song Chicia is like, I have no idea

[00:14:56] [SPEAKER_00]: what I'm talking about.

[00:14:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Stop for me.

[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, yeah, yeah.

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, oh, you know that.

[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's so he's like, listen, there we have he's like,

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_00]: we have a Sunday night that is very dead here.

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_00]: If you want to come play some tunes, you know, and see people feel about it.

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, perfect.

[00:15:18] [SPEAKER_00]: So what I did, I was not counting on with his crowd.

[00:15:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:15:22] [SPEAKER_00]: So what I did, I told all my buddies, like, because I was always

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_00]: hosting parties in the Kizoma and community.

[00:15:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I was like, gassy myself up, telling everybody, hey,

[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm now a resident DJ at this club.

[00:15:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Everybody come through blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_00]: So I had some friends come in on Sunday, which obviously was

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_00]: beneficial for the club owner, right?

[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Because I had like some people coming in and and then I was just playing

[00:15:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Zook music, just Zook, just straight Zook, Zook, Zook.

[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_00]: And obviously from from time to time, I had to kind of play

[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_00]: a little bit for my people that came to see me play.

[00:15:55] [SPEAKER_00]: And when I and then surprisingly enough, the owner

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_00]: like my my Angolan set, Angolan slash Kverde set more than Zook set.

[00:16:07] [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, he's like, oh, I like to I love the way you play.

[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_00]: But I like when you play in this style more, you know, you see

[00:16:13] [SPEAKER_00]: the people are vibing more.

[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_00]: He was telling me basically that he likes Kizoma music more than Zook.

[00:16:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly. Yeah.

[00:16:21] [SPEAKER_00]: So then long, very short, he said, OK, you know,

[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_00]: I think we should start doing once a month and not you can do

[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_00]: once a month and night here on Saturday instead.

[00:16:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Invite your people, blah, blah, blah.

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_00]: And then I'll pay you.

[00:16:32] [SPEAKER_00]: That's when I first was paid like what on paid to just walk in.

[00:16:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, I had to promote DJ that now.

[00:16:40] [SPEAKER_00]: This is I know where you were asking me how did the whole traveling start?

[00:16:45] [SPEAKER_00]: This is the funny thing.

[00:16:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Being doing a Kizoma party or being part of a case.

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I've always been that right from early on.

[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_00]: However, I never had the knowledge of the what we call it

[00:16:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Kizoma Festival World.

[00:16:56] [SPEAKER_00]: I think OK, I had no knowledge of that whatsoever.

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. As a matter of fact, I didn't even know that there was

[00:17:02] [SPEAKER_00]: a different way of dancing Kizoma, if you will. Right.

[00:17:05] [SPEAKER_00]: OK. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:17:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. So I one time there was this friend of mine

[00:17:13] [SPEAKER_00]: and say, hey, listen, there's some some people that are hosting

[00:17:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Kizoma parties now there's used to go to come and check them out.

[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like really is like Kizoma.

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_00]: It was it was very surprising to me because it was Kizoma in Toronto.

[00:17:27] [SPEAKER_00]: And at that time, no matter what Kizoma party happens in Toronto,

[00:17:31] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm involved. OK.

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. Like the only thing is I didn't know that there was

[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Kizoma outside of the Palo Alto world.

[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_00]: That was the thing because that was happening was outside of the Palo Alto world.

[00:17:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. And in my mind is like there's no way

[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_00]: that there's Kizoma events you and I don't know about it.

[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. So I go to this place and at the time is what they used to call it.

[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_00]: They were dancing Kizoma French style. Yes.

[00:17:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Urban kids, they used to call it French style. OK.

[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_00]: I walked in. I could hear the music.

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_00]: The music is they play mostly ghetto, Zook, of course. Yes.

[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm like, OK, I know the music that they're playing, so on and so forth.

[00:18:09] [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm looking at the people dance. I was like, OK, there's something.

[00:18:14] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not this is this is something different.

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_00]: And I have no idea.

[00:18:18] [SPEAKER_00]: I know that they're playing the music that I know, but I'm not sure what they're dancing.

[00:18:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. So I even remember dancing.

[00:18:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Someone asked me to dance because the disparity between men and women

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_00]: has always been from me of time. Right.

[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. Except in the Palo Alto world, of course.

[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

[00:18:37] [SPEAKER_00]: So someone asked me to dance and I'm like dancing the way I thought.

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_00]: That's how you dance.

[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_00]: She did. She looked me dead in the other.

[00:18:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Like, oh, how long ago have you been dancing?

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. My whole life.

[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you should take some classes.

[00:18:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Now, it's like what?

[00:18:57] [SPEAKER_00]: I go, I think she did some classes.

[00:19:00] [SPEAKER_00]: If you want, I can I can recommend some instructors.

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like what is happening?

[00:19:04] [SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, that's a whole different topic.

[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, it was it was so.

[00:19:12] [SPEAKER_00]: But somehow when I left there, I didn't leave that place

[00:19:15] [SPEAKER_00]: with with this grant with this grant or anything like that.

[00:19:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I actually left that place more intrigued in a second.

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_00]: What is this? Yeah.

[00:19:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Now I wanted to know more of because apparently there's

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_00]: there's a new there's another world of Kizomba that I'm not into.

[00:19:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Just FYI in Angola, there's people that still don't know

[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_00]: that of this other world of Kizoma just so just on a different.

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:19:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. And I was I was very, very baffled

[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_00]: and I wanted to know more about this world.

[00:19:45] [SPEAKER_00]: So I kind of started I got in touch with the organizer of that party

[00:19:49] [SPEAKER_00]: that got me in touch with other people.

[00:19:50] [SPEAKER_00]: So I start now I start kind of like going to see what's happening.

[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_00]: And then I told him, hey, just so you know, I'm a DJ, too.

[00:19:57] [SPEAKER_00]: If you guys ever wanted, I can I can play.

[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_00]: And then what happened is the same the same person,

[00:20:04] [SPEAKER_00]: the same lady that that that kind of got me in contact with everybody else.

[00:20:08] [SPEAKER_00]: She was doing some sort of like she was she had a regular

[00:20:12] [SPEAKER_00]: every every other Friday she had a party.

[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Decided to one party kind of to attract more people to do like a DJ battle.

[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Type of thing, no prizes like different DJs kind of battle, you know,

[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_00]: and say you want to be part of this.

[00:20:25] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like my style is different, but I could I'm sure I can

[00:20:28] [SPEAKER_00]: I can figure things out.

[00:20:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I went there.

[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_00]: I like I started listening to what they're playing.

[00:20:35] [SPEAKER_00]: They're playing mostly ghetto zoo.

[00:20:36] [SPEAKER_00]: And I say, OK, if I play ghetto zoo here, I'm just going to be like any other DJ.

[00:20:41] [SPEAKER_00]: But I kind of I figure out from the get go, the people that are

[00:20:44] [SPEAKER_00]: dancing these this music, they're going to beat.

[00:20:47] [SPEAKER_00]: That's something. Yes.

[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Figure from the get go.

[00:20:50] [SPEAKER_00]: And I knew that if I play Kizoma Kizoma,

[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_00]: I probably just going to clear the floor that I get from very beginning.

[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. So I decided to to play just a machine.

[00:21:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Like OK, all school to Russian.

[00:21:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Mm hmm. Right.

[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_00]: I decided to do that.

[00:21:07] [SPEAKER_00]: People love that like I want like straight old school to Russian.

[00:21:11] [SPEAKER_00]: People love that because they never heard like they know ghetto zoo,

[00:21:14] [SPEAKER_00]: but they a lot of them didn't know that the old school to Russian.

[00:21:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. Like the DJs know this and stuff like that.

[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's all beats to be very, very honest.

[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. They love that they're like, where is this music from?

[00:21:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Blah, blah, blah, I had even people like trying to take pictures from my

[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_00]: online you find that online.

[00:21:31] [SPEAKER_00]: At that time, you know, when the music was not online like that.

[00:21:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:21:35] [SPEAKER_00]: You're not going to fight.

[00:21:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Take all pictures that you want.

[00:21:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Not going to get it yet.

[00:21:40] [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, that my very first from that I progressed to my very first

[00:21:45] [SPEAKER_00]: in Canada, we call it Congress, right? OK.

[00:21:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. My very first was this called Canada Congress.

[00:21:51] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a festival that still runs today.

[00:21:53] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a SBK basically is a salsa, but you have to.

[00:21:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Right.

[00:21:56] [SPEAKER_00]: This this lady again, she got me in contact with the organizer.

[00:22:00] [SPEAKER_00]: And the organizer, they just needed a Kizomba DJ.

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Basically, right?

[00:22:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, sure. I'll go and do it.

[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_00]: So I went long enough and there were some people from United States

[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_00]: that came as well.

[00:22:11] [SPEAKER_00]: So long enough, I went there.

[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_00]: I play people love that some person from Cincinnati.

[00:22:17] [SPEAKER_00]: She's like, oh my God, I love your music, blah, blah, blah.

[00:22:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Would you be willing to come to this festival?

[00:22:22] [SPEAKER_00]: And then it just progresses from there.

[00:22:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. Every because that's that's the thing about festivals.

[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Every festival that and I always tell my fellow DJs,

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_00]: every festival that you go, try to play as if it's your last.

[00:22:35] [SPEAKER_00]: They they will always be an organizer.

[00:22:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Here's the thing.

[00:22:40] [SPEAKER_00]: There will always be an organizer or future organizer.

[00:22:44] [SPEAKER_00]: One of those years is going to the mind.

[00:22:46] [SPEAKER_00]: If there's no organizer, there's somebody there

[00:22:48] [SPEAKER_00]: that eventually will be an organizer and they'll think of you

[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_00]: if you if you live a everlasting moment with your set, right?

[00:22:55] [SPEAKER_00]: So that's that's basically how and that's another thing

[00:22:59] [SPEAKER_00]: that I understood early on.

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_00]: I understood that every single there was always a contact.

[00:23:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Every single festival that I would go, there was always a contact.

[00:23:07] [SPEAKER_00]: There was always a OK, now you can go here.

[00:23:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Now you're going to go there and it's just that progressive from there.

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. It's that progressive.

[00:23:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. And I mean till the biggest state,

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_00]: the first biggest stage that I was in was Miami.

[00:23:21] [SPEAKER_00]: That's when I was OK.

[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Now I'm here. Right.

[00:23:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. So is that the Miami?

[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Is it? Yeah.

[00:23:28] [SPEAKER_02]: My son, my son. Yeah. OK.

[00:23:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. The headliner at the time was Nelson Freitas.

[00:23:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yes.

[00:23:34] [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm afraid at the time was the epitome of the Kizomba world.

[00:23:39] [SPEAKER_00]: It was Nelson Freitas and C4 Pedro.

[00:23:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, God, yeah.

[00:23:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Of Kizomba, if you will.

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm going to share a stage with him.

[00:23:47] [SPEAKER_00]: This is a huge stage. Yes. Right.

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_00]: To me, Miami was my very I would say my very big

[00:23:54] [SPEAKER_00]: stage that it was my very.

[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_02]: OK, yeah. And you probably felt a bit of pressure there.

[00:23:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. You do.

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_00]: There is a thing I feel like if you don't feel pressure in my opinion,

[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_00]: me personally, I need to feel pressure to perform well.

[00:24:08] [SPEAKER_00]: That's how I if I don't feel pressure is almost as if.

[00:24:13] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know either.

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_00]: You don't you feel basic if you.

[00:24:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[00:24:17] [SPEAKER_00]: I feel basic if I don't have that pressure.

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. I have the best DJs besides me so I can be like, OK,

[00:24:23] [SPEAKER_00]: now we're here, now we're here and I got to I got to show what I can do.

[00:24:28] [SPEAKER_00]: When I don't care that I mean, I'm not saying that I'll play terribly,

[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_00]: but I just feel like it doesn't you don't have the same drive.

[00:24:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. You're you're you're you're you're going to go there

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_00]: and play your ABCs.

[00:24:39] [SPEAKER_00]: People are going to love it, but you're not going to go with that

[00:24:43] [SPEAKER_00]: animal instinct that today I'm I have to put this on type of thing.

[00:24:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Peace mode. Exactly.

[00:24:49] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, we don't go with a peace mode mentality.

[00:24:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:24:53] [SPEAKER_00]: It's just yeah, I'm just speaking for myself.

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Right. Yeah.

[00:24:56] [SPEAKER_00]: No, I love when I have like these DJs beside me.

[00:25:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just literally forces me to go in the lab and figure stuff out

[00:25:03] [SPEAKER_00]: and come up with my stuff too.

[00:25:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's great.

[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_02]: It's great because I wanted to ask you, you know, around.

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_02]: So obviously lots of DJs and we're just talking about that now.

[00:25:14] [SPEAKER_02]: We're talking about going to be smolders.

[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Lots of DJs are all different or come up something different.

[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_02]: So I want to find out what makes your style unique because I, you know,

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I've seen you DJ and what I love.

[00:25:25] [SPEAKER_02]: What I love, I love DJs when they're in their moment that behind the backs

[00:25:28] [SPEAKER_02]: and they're just loving the music and they're just feeling it and it's just good.

[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_02]: And I see your energy quite a lot.

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_02]: So but what I want to find out is what what you think makes you

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_02]: different or unique from, you know, the people, your friends,

[00:25:40] [SPEAKER_02]: the DJs, your fellow DJs.

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_00]: I think two things, me personally, me personally.

[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_00]: The number one thing is I like to dance.

[00:25:47] [SPEAKER_02]: OK.

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I like don't get me.

[00:25:50] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't you're not going to see me on a dance floor like all the time.

[00:25:53] [SPEAKER_00]: It's just I like to dance, but I like to dance to what I the music that I like.

[00:25:57] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not a dancer that passes to any music that is playing.

[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_00]: I like the music that is speaking to me in that.

[00:26:03] [SPEAKER_00]: And I I strongly believe like a good DJ has to be a good dancer

[00:26:08] [SPEAKER_00]: because you always get it to other people's you're considered

[00:26:11] [SPEAKER_00]: to other people's dancing.

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. For example, I think that this is how I think.

[00:26:15] [SPEAKER_00]: OK, if I was in a dance floor and this guy dropped this song right now,

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_00]: what is the next song that I would want him to drop me being a dancer?

[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. And that's how that's how I always try to put my my train of thought

[00:26:28] [SPEAKER_00]: into in terms of playing if I kind of like I'm playing thinking.

[00:26:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my God, I wish that you would play for me if I was on a dance floor.

[00:26:37] [SPEAKER_02]: 100 percent.

[00:26:38] [SPEAKER_00]: That's that's that's that's my first take to it.

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_00]: A good DJ to me has to be a good dancer

[00:26:44] [SPEAKER_00]: because he always going to be considered of the dancer in front of him.

[00:26:49] [SPEAKER_02]: If that makes it. Yeah, yeah.

[00:26:50] [SPEAKER_02]: No, I've never heard that before.

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And it makes complete sense.

[00:26:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Simple, but it makes sense.

[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Right. So then how do you go about selecting the songs?

[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_02]: So you don't have to give away your secrets.

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_02]: But how do you go about selecting the songs?

[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_00]: There's two things that there's to I do either one or the other.

[00:27:08] [SPEAKER_00]: The one thing that I always like, I don't like to repeat other DJ songs.

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why I just don't like it.

[00:27:12] [SPEAKER_00]: The one thing that I always like to do is just I can tell what song the DJ played

[00:27:17] [SPEAKER_00]: by the mood of this song.

[00:27:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Say, for example, if I walk in in a room and the DJ is already halfway through his set,

[00:27:24] [SPEAKER_00]: or maybe there's another 10 minutes through, he said, I can kind of gauge

[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_00]: what kind of what was his his his trip, if you will, musical trip, if you will.

[00:27:35] [SPEAKER_00]: I can get right. Yeah.

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Then I avoid going that route.

[00:27:39] [SPEAKER_00]: I have to go a completely different route.

[00:27:42] [SPEAKER_00]: But obviously, and I and normally when I take a completely different route,

[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_00]: people usually gravitate to it just because we're now doing something

[00:27:51] [SPEAKER_00]: different that what we're doing, right?

[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_00]: We're now going because that's what people actually want within a night.

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, you want your your your ABCs, right?

[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_00]: You also want to be taken on a different path.

[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. Sometimes, right? Yes.

[00:28:07] [SPEAKER_00]: When I walk in, hey, I want to hear the songs that I record

[00:28:09] [SPEAKER_00]: and recognize, but.

[00:28:12] [SPEAKER_00]: You need to you need to show me something different, right?

[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_00]: You need to you need to kind of like and that's that's our and obviously I like

[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_00]: to always see after the days to see the story of their music.

[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Just so I don't say I walk in quickly, glance at the story.

[00:28:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, can I see? OK.

[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_00]: I glance at their stories that way I know when I glance at the story.

[00:28:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Then I know two things.

[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm really not going to repeat the songs and I'm really not going to be

[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_00]: on the same atmosphere that he was.

[00:28:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. If that makes it right, I always take it to like to take it

[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_00]: to a different atmosphere in terms of music, music selection.

[00:28:45] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, again, it plays back to my knowledge of music, right?

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_00]: My knowledge of music in the sense of you have a room

[00:28:53] [SPEAKER_00]: with people of different tastes, right?

[00:28:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Although they have different tastes,

[00:28:59] [SPEAKER_00]: they all gravitate normally when it comes to they all gravitate to the

[00:29:04] [SPEAKER_00]: bangers. Let's just say that because it's something that they know,

[00:29:07] [SPEAKER_00]: they recognize that.

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_00]: But what I always try to do a lot of times is do that mental exercise.

[00:29:13] [SPEAKER_00]: What song sounds like that banger?

[00:29:16] [SPEAKER_00]: OK, I always try to do that.

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, which song sounds like that banger that they don't know?

[00:29:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. And that's what I like to always go find it.

[00:29:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. Because I like to always train myself in that in that sense.

[00:29:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Let me see what song song exactly like that one or has a little bit

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_00]: of a feel like that one, right?

[00:29:33] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's how basically I start building up.

[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_00]: And every day will tell you that playing music.

[00:29:39] [SPEAKER_00]: It's almost becomes like a puzzle.

[00:29:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're trying to figure out which one they they jump to.

[00:29:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Once you figure out three that they jumped to, then you know where to go.

[00:29:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's really good.

[00:29:52] [SPEAKER_00]: OK, if you if you if you like this and you like it,

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_00]: oh, for sure, you're going to like this.

[00:29:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Definitely, you're going to like this and then you just start going from there.

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?

[00:30:03] [SPEAKER_00]: That's how basically I peace out my mind, my music throughout the night.

[00:30:07] [SPEAKER_02]: And this is great.

[00:30:09] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, this is exactly what things we don't hear about.

[00:30:12] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, and obviously you're talking about looking at the DJ,

[00:30:15] [SPEAKER_02]: the list and you look at that, you know, going to play that.

[00:30:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Look at the timeline, all these things.

[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_02]: We don't necessarily know that, but right.

[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_02]: It's really, really interesting, man.

[00:30:23] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's really good insightful.

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_02]: So on that, then do you have.

[00:30:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Is there a song that the hits that you can drop and you know this song

[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_02]: is going to hit every time, maybe regardless of the trail?

[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_00]: So say good regardless of the time, the timeline.

[00:30:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:30:43] [SPEAKER_02]: You just like, OK, you know, I know I'm going to drop this here.

[00:30:46] [SPEAKER_02]: This is going to change the.

[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_00]: To be honest, there's different songs that do that.

[00:30:50] [SPEAKER_00]: OK, there's different songs that do that.

[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Because of the nostalgia factor, right?

[00:30:59] [SPEAKER_00]: What do I mean by that?

[00:31:00] [SPEAKER_00]: For example, I'll give you a few examples.

[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_00]: You know the song Alma Jamia.

[00:31:04] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if.

[00:31:08] [SPEAKER_00]: That's a song that's very danceable, if that's even a word, right?

[00:31:13] [SPEAKER_00]: And when that song came, everybody gravitated to it.

[00:31:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was it's very melodic is very, you know what I mean?

[00:31:21] [SPEAKER_00]: That's a song that I know.

[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Plus it's here's the important part is a sing along song.

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_01]: That's OK, OK, OK, OK.

[00:31:31] [SPEAKER_00]: When you drop it, whenever you drop it, people are going to want to dance.

[00:31:35] [SPEAKER_00]: But even though they don't understand the lyrics,

[00:31:38] [SPEAKER_00]: they can mimic to that part of the everybody sings it.

[00:31:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Right? So I know for a fact that when you drop that song,

[00:31:47] [SPEAKER_00]: we'll dance to it because he has a sing along a tune to it.

[00:31:51] [SPEAKER_00]: So even so basically, even if a lady did not get a chance to get someone to dance,

[00:31:57] [SPEAKER_00]: she will be kind of like bobbing her head to it.

[00:32:00] [SPEAKER_00]: And then when that part comes, she will sing along.

[00:32:03] [SPEAKER_00]: So it does the it has that to effect.

[00:32:05] [SPEAKER_00]: OK, I have the effect of dancing,

[00:32:07] [SPEAKER_00]: but also have the effect of getting someone to sing along.

[00:32:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, wow.

[00:32:11] [SPEAKER_01]: See again. Yeah.

[00:32:13] [SPEAKER_00]: So that's one song that will

[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_00]: that's the quickest example that I can think of the back of my head.

[00:32:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Right? Yeah, no, it's.

[00:32:21] [SPEAKER_00]: People will will will think another song, for example,

[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_00]: also songs that have very a hybrid of very soft melody.

[00:32:33] [SPEAKER_00]: And now not hard of it has a beat, but not hard of a beat.

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Example OK, the new song, Quarters December.

[00:32:42] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a song that

[00:32:45] [SPEAKER_00]: although it's a Samba song, but if you listen to it,

[00:32:48] [SPEAKER_00]: it's a we call it for lack of better terms, modern Samba

[00:32:52] [SPEAKER_00]: because you have an electric, very strong.

[00:32:56] [SPEAKER_01]: OK, yeah.

[00:32:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Sounds almost as a rock and roll.

[00:32:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, which anybody can identify with rock and roll.

[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Right? Yes. Yeah.

[00:33:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Then you have the the beat that is not too strong,

[00:33:07] [SPEAKER_00]: is not too soft, it's just good enough.

[00:33:09] [SPEAKER_00]: And you have I mean, who doesn't like a string guitar?

[00:33:14] [SPEAKER_00]: A solo string guitar, who doesn't like that?

[00:33:16] [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?

[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_00]: When you drop that song and the way that song started

[00:33:23] [SPEAKER_00]: boom, everybody's like every time you drop the song.

[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_00]: This is those are the songs that I call those iconic songs.

[00:33:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes.

[00:33:33] [SPEAKER_00]: The time of the time of these songs,

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_00]: they especially right now, that song have like a very,

[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_00]: very small time life, right?

[00:33:42] [SPEAKER_00]: It has a very the time life of songs are very small now.

[00:33:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Now, for you to find a song that can last at least six months.

[00:33:50] [SPEAKER_00]: It's hard, right? OK.

[00:33:53] [SPEAKER_00]: The fact that when I say this month, I mean, I mean,

[00:33:56] [SPEAKER_00]: you're going to go to a festival for for the next six months

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_00]: and you will hear it.

[00:34:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Hear that song. You will hear it.

[00:34:02] [SPEAKER_00]: When I say last, I mean, when they drop it, you hear it as if

[00:34:06] [SPEAKER_00]: it was yesterday when they heard it first time.

[00:34:08] [SPEAKER_00]: The same the same energy and the same feeling when you drop it, right?

[00:34:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Now it's very hard to find songs like that, right?

[00:34:16] [SPEAKER_00]: In the in the early 2000s and mid to late 90s,

[00:34:20] [SPEAKER_00]: a song would last at least three years sometimes.

[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, example, we Palo, who still play the songs for.

[00:34:28] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know a Palo that plays.

[00:34:32] [SPEAKER_00]: And in the set, there's not a 1995 or 98 or 99.

[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Come on, yeah, come on.

[00:34:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:34:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Then we have music enough for you not to believe in a 1990 song.

[00:34:44] [SPEAKER_00]: We have music and yet we feel compelled to I need to play

[00:34:49] [SPEAKER_00]: something from the 90s, right?

[00:34:52] [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't sit well if we don't do it.

[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And if you're a true Kazamba lover fan, you appreciate that.

[00:34:58] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, that's you just hear this on your lap.

[00:35:00] [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean? Exactly.

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what it's about.

[00:35:03] [SPEAKER_02]: And that leads me on to my next question, actually, so nicely

[00:35:06] [SPEAKER_02]: because I want to ask you about how you.

[00:35:10] [SPEAKER_02]: How you make sure that you incorporate old school

[00:35:13] [SPEAKER_02]: or traditional Kazamba into your sense?

[00:35:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure, you know, you obviously make you make it a mix,

[00:35:18] [SPEAKER_02]: but people want different things these days.

[00:35:20] [SPEAKER_02]: So how are you making sure that you keep in that traditional there?

[00:35:24] [SPEAKER_00]: So DJ, the DJs, I know when I can.

[00:35:28] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't need to to to look at a DJ just by here, even if I'm in a bathroom

[00:35:33] [SPEAKER_00]: just by DJ, I'll know if he's Palo or not.

[00:35:35] [SPEAKER_00]: OK, there's not even I'll know just by here.

[00:35:40] [SPEAKER_00]: The reason why is because of this.

[00:35:45] [SPEAKER_00]: I know every DJ when they play, they have to tell a story of what they're playing.

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Right? Like say, for example, there's a DJ that might want to play

[00:35:52] [SPEAKER_00]: like a lot of ghettoes like this or whatever it is, the story that you're trying to tell.

[00:35:57] [SPEAKER_00]: But Palo DJs, we have this confinement of playing our music.

[00:36:02] [SPEAKER_00]: What do I mean by that?

[00:36:03] [SPEAKER_00]: For example, there's an order if you will of music.

[00:36:09] [SPEAKER_00]: For example, if I stop playing Kabozo, right?

[00:36:12] [SPEAKER_00]: I play one Kabozo song.

[00:36:13] [SPEAKER_00]: The next one has to be Kabozo and the one after that has to be Kabozo.

[00:36:18] [SPEAKER_00]: You see what I say?

[00:36:20] [SPEAKER_00]: We can't you can't play one Kabozo song and then go to Kizomba

[00:36:25] [SPEAKER_00]: and then go to you can do it. OK, OK.

[00:36:27] [SPEAKER_00]: You see what I say? Yeah, if he's a Palo,

[00:36:30] [SPEAKER_00]: if I if I hear three Kabozo songs in a row,

[00:36:33] [SPEAKER_00]: I know that he's Palo because we stay there. OK.

[00:36:36] [SPEAKER_00]: You've got to give me because the songs are kind of like the same

[00:36:38] [SPEAKER_00]: not the same rhythm, but they have almost the vibe.

[00:36:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's the same in the nostalgia.

[00:36:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. So if you want to you have you got to give me at least four or five

[00:36:49] [SPEAKER_00]: depending on you might give me your whole set just depending.

[00:36:52] [SPEAKER_00]: But I know for a fact that you can't give me one of this

[00:36:54] [SPEAKER_00]: and then switch to something we don't do that.

[00:36:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. Same idea.

[00:36:59] [SPEAKER_00]: If I start playing Coladera music, for example, think of this.

[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you see how you've you've done Coladera music, right?

[00:37:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Coladera. Yeah.

[00:37:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Coladera has a bouncy feel to it. OK.

[00:37:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. Coladera music has a bouncy feel to it.

[00:37:13] [SPEAKER_00]: So as a dancer, again, this is me being a dancer speaking as a dancer.

[00:37:19] [SPEAKER_00]: If if I'm dancing styles of music that will make me bounce

[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_00]: and then you shift on me right after the next one.

[00:37:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Don't get me wrong. The song might blend. It's a mix.

[00:37:29] [SPEAKER_00]: You can mix it, but it kind of disrupt my dancing flow.

[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. Like say, for example, if I'm dancing to a prince.

[00:37:38] [SPEAKER_00]: The song, I am not a prince.

[00:37:41] [SPEAKER_00]: It's the song that has like a and then you pull car.

[00:37:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, car. Oh, car. Oh, yeah.

[00:37:45] [SPEAKER_00]: This drops my flow when it comes.

[00:37:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. What I'm saying.

[00:37:50] [SPEAKER_00]: But it will give you one Coladera, two Coladera, three or four.

[00:37:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. Yeah.

[00:37:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Still, you're still in the same group and then I change it.

[00:37:58] [SPEAKER_00]: If that OK, yeah.

[00:38:00] [SPEAKER_00]: That's as much easy for you as a dancer to appreciate that.

[00:38:03] [SPEAKER_00]: That's OK. We think.

[00:38:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. And that's basically what I was trying to say.

[00:38:08] [SPEAKER_00]: And say my dear goes for any style of music that we play.

[00:38:11] [SPEAKER_00]: If we start playing Zook, that's where we have to stay until we recall it.

[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I sometimes we even say, oh, whenever we were switching,

[00:38:19] [SPEAKER_00]: whatever I'm switching with a pop DJ,

[00:38:21] [SPEAKER_00]: if I see that he just played two Zook songs,

[00:38:25] [SPEAKER_00]: I need to let him go to like a third or fourth.

[00:38:28] [SPEAKER_00]: And when I start, I have to pick up where he left off.

[00:38:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. Unless I let unless he had already finished that set

[00:38:35] [SPEAKER_00]: and then I let the whole thing die down so I can start on a new

[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_00]: on a new path, right? Yeah.

[00:38:41] [SPEAKER_00]: You just started and then you kind of like disrupt that.

[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_00]: You're not doing a service to whoever to work me as a dancer.

[00:38:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't feel like you're doing a service to me.

[00:38:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. Right. Yeah.

[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_00]: That's that's that's basically the mentality as far as what kind of music

[00:38:55] [SPEAKER_00]: are we how do we play more Kizomba or more get a Zook or whatever?

[00:39:01] [SPEAKER_00]: The same thing. If I start on a good old path, I need to stay here.

[00:39:04] [SPEAKER_00]: And especially when it comes songs that are that have more traditional feel.

[00:39:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. If I'm playing Kizomba with more traditional feel,

[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_00]: I cannot jump to get a Zook. I can't.

[00:39:15] [SPEAKER_00]: But I need to I need to let that that phase out that part of my set

[00:39:19] [SPEAKER_00]: phase out. Right. And you could tell you could tell why?

[00:39:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Because as you play, you we're looking at at the dance floor.

[00:39:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. I play one Kizomba.

[00:39:29] [SPEAKER_00]: People are like jamming on the desk for two still good three.

[00:39:33] [SPEAKER_00]: They still here for there don't want to leave.

[00:39:36] [SPEAKER_00]: I need to stay here for a minute. Yeah.

[00:39:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what I mean? Because they're they're dying for it.

[00:39:41] [SPEAKER_00]: When I see that OK now I see that people are kind of like

[00:39:45] [SPEAKER_00]: slowly running away is telling me OK, you need to switch

[00:39:48] [SPEAKER_00]: to style over here.

[00:39:50] [SPEAKER_00]: People kind of like OK, it was great, but now we want something else.

[00:39:53] [SPEAKER_00]: That's when I can give myself the audacity of changing the style.

[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. And obviously you can change the style either by raising or lowering

[00:40:01] [SPEAKER_00]: the BPM or completely just let the music die down and start a new

[00:40:06] [SPEAKER_00]: you know what I mean? A new a new style of track.

[00:40:10] [SPEAKER_00]: That's basically how I know when to this is so like I say,

[00:40:13] [SPEAKER_02]: this is so insightful. I'm learning so much.

[00:40:16] [SPEAKER_02]: And obviously the next time I go out now, which is going to be next week,

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to be listening to the DJ and I'm going to be flicking for all these things.

[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm right.

[00:40:25] [SPEAKER_02]: I'll be like, well, no, this is this is amazing.

[00:40:28] [SPEAKER_02]: This is really, really cool to hear because it's a it's an art

[00:40:31] [SPEAKER_02]: like anything else you do professionally.

[00:40:33] [SPEAKER_02]: It's there's a lot to it, right?

[00:40:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And obviously I've been dancing for some time while I say trying to dance

[00:40:38] [SPEAKER_02]: for some time, but I love this dance. Right.

[00:40:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And just knowing what goes on behind the scenes, you know, getting people

[00:40:43] [SPEAKER_02]: moving is really, really, really interesting.

[00:40:47] [SPEAKER_00]: I always try to say the art of DJ, especially Kizom, it's like

[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_00]: what if people would take the time to actually go behind this, you know,

[00:40:55] [SPEAKER_00]: appreciate like thoroughly, you'll you guys be amazed of the things that

[00:40:59] [SPEAKER_00]: they have to do to please or even the thing is not even to please the crowd.

[00:41:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Here's the thing. A lot of people think that DJs are trying to please the crowd.

[00:41:08] [SPEAKER_00]: No, I never try to please the crowd.

[00:41:10] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to please the party.

[00:41:12] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if that makes any sense.

[00:41:14] [SPEAKER_00]: When I if I every time I try to please the crowd, it never suits me a purpose.

[00:41:19] [SPEAKER_00]: It never it never goes well.

[00:41:21] [SPEAKER_00]: But if I'm trying to please a party, it always works.

[00:41:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Our party means that I'm going to create an atmosphere

[00:41:28] [SPEAKER_00]: that regardless of the mood that that person was, I'm able to blend

[00:41:32] [SPEAKER_00]: that person in to whatever history that I'm trying to create.

[00:41:36] [SPEAKER_00]: To me, to me, I'm more successful that way versus trying to please

[00:41:40] [SPEAKER_00]: a crowd, because when you please crowd, you're going to start looking for individuals.

[00:41:45] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I'm making sense. What does this guy like?

[00:41:47] [SPEAKER_00]: What does that this guy looks a little bit more mature?

[00:41:50] [SPEAKER_00]: She looks a little bit more young. OK, you're going to be all over the place.

[00:41:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, like I like to please a party.

[00:41:59] [SPEAKER_02]: You make sense.

[00:42:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Pick where you want to take this party to.

[00:42:02] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's where you that's where you're going to go.

[00:42:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Makes total sense, man. Total sense.

[00:42:07] [SPEAKER_02]: So great. Now talk to us then about.

[00:42:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Good nights, bad nights.

[00:42:12] [SPEAKER_02]: So you must have had some great nights, but you must have also had some nights.

[00:42:17] [SPEAKER_02]: You thought, oh, man, what was that?

[00:42:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Good, good nights.

[00:42:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Here's the thing.

[00:42:24] [SPEAKER_00]: I know most people would say a lot.

[00:42:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Not most people say a lot of people think that a good night is a night

[00:42:28] [SPEAKER_00]: that is full of people, not with me.

[00:42:31] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, to me, I've had nights that was only like five couple dancing

[00:42:36] [SPEAKER_00]: and it was one of the best nights I've.

[00:42:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I've been appreciate it.

[00:42:40] [SPEAKER_00]: So the thing to me, a good night is when you actually connect

[00:42:45] [SPEAKER_00]: it through and through with the people that I dance.

[00:42:47] [SPEAKER_00]: You guys are vibing to the same energy and you can feel it.

[00:42:50] [SPEAKER_00]: And just so you know, we do love when you guys give us props in the middle of our set.

[00:42:55] [SPEAKER_00]: If he does, I know people think that, oh, no, no, he does.

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Every time you guys are dancing like, listen.

[00:43:04] [SPEAKER_00]: That does that.

[00:43:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, I have yet seen a DJ.

[00:43:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, rarely it can happen, but rarely I've seen a DJ that people are

[00:43:13] [SPEAKER_00]: giving him props and then he drops in performance.

[00:43:17] [SPEAKER_00]: The more props you normally what happens is the more props you give a DJ,

[00:43:21] [SPEAKER_00]: the more his performance like Skyrocks.

[00:43:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Because now he gets in his zone.

[00:43:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. You're telling him, listen, what you're doing?

[00:43:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's good.

[00:43:30] [SPEAKER_00]: So he's not going to fail.

[00:43:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

[00:43:33] [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, going back to the question, great night is when I mean when we all in tune.

[00:43:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, actually in tune, it doesn't matter how many people are on the floor,

[00:43:41] [SPEAKER_00]: but we are in tune.

[00:43:42] [SPEAKER_00]: They're vibing to exactly what and they give you the props.

[00:43:45] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a great night.

[00:43:46] [SPEAKER_00]: A terrible night is exactly the opposite to me.

[00:43:49] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't even care about the sound because it might be nice

[00:43:53] [SPEAKER_00]: where there's some, what's it called?

[00:43:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Technical difficulties.

[00:43:59] [SPEAKER_00]: I promise you there's nights that I've had terrible technical difficulties,

[00:44:03] [SPEAKER_00]: but then when the party started, it was one of the best nights ever.

[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_00]: People remember that we have five minutes long technical.

[00:44:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:44:14] [SPEAKER_00]: You don't even remember that.

[00:44:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:44:16] [SPEAKER_00]: So nothing like that.

[00:44:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Again, to me, the terrible best night is when you in tune with people

[00:44:21] [SPEAKER_00]: and the terrible night is when you guys are just not in tune.

[00:44:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:44:25] [SPEAKER_00]: And you can and you can feel it as a DJ.

[00:44:29] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know any DJ that cannot feel when he's not in tune with the people.

[00:44:33] [SPEAKER_00]: The music is all over the place.

[00:44:35] [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?

[00:44:36] [SPEAKER_00]: You just not you we can feel it when we're not in tune.

[00:44:40] [SPEAKER_00]: We can feel it, right?

[00:44:41] [SPEAKER_00]: So that to me, that's a terrible night.

[00:44:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Hundred percent.

[00:44:45] [SPEAKER_02]: And just what we're talking about the technical difficulties,

[00:44:48] [SPEAKER_02]: because obviously it's great that people forget it.

[00:44:51] [SPEAKER_02]: But when that when that moment happens, right?

[00:44:53] [SPEAKER_02]: The music just stops and everybody just turns around and looks at you.

[00:44:57] [SPEAKER_00]: What is this?

[00:44:59] [SPEAKER_00]: We'll look at you for anything.

[00:45:01] [SPEAKER_00]: One of the music.

[00:45:03] [SPEAKER_00]: I've the music one stopped for me because someone over there kicked the court,

[00:45:08] [SPEAKER_00]: the power court, not to do here.

[00:45:10] [SPEAKER_00]: They kicked the power court over there and music stop.

[00:45:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Everybody's going to look at me.

[00:45:15] [SPEAKER_00]: One hour went off the entire part of the and they were looking at me as if

[00:45:21] [SPEAKER_00]: I was.

[00:45:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this one's saying yeah.

[00:45:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:45:25] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it has happened.

[00:45:27] [SPEAKER_00]: There's times that technical difficulties to me are part of a part of of of of DJ.

[00:45:33] [SPEAKER_00]: They I actually I say that they should happen to every DJ because it's not

[00:45:37] [SPEAKER_00]: is not the fact that you had a technical difficulty is how did you bounce back out of it?

[00:45:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.

[00:45:44] [SPEAKER_00]: That's not solid.

[00:45:45] [SPEAKER_00]: People won't care.

[00:45:46] [SPEAKER_00]: And the thing about technical difficulties in the world of music,

[00:45:49] [SPEAKER_00]: we have a saying that when the song stops for 30 seconds, it feels like five.

[00:45:56] [SPEAKER_00]: When so five, five minutes, it feels like five minutes.

[00:45:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Five minutes, it feels like an hour because it's silent.

[00:46:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Right?

[00:46:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:46:04] [SPEAKER_00]: And most of the thing is most technical

[00:46:05] [SPEAKER_00]: difficulties people don't believe me now they never go more than two minutes.

[00:46:10] [SPEAKER_00]: It just feels that way.

[00:46:12] [SPEAKER_00]: It just feels like a long time.

[00:46:13] [SPEAKER_00]: It's quiet everybody.

[00:46:15] [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I mean, an awkward moment if you will,

[00:46:19] [SPEAKER_00]: normally doesn't take that long.

[00:46:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Right? Yeah.

[00:46:22] [SPEAKER_00]: But it's like it's forever because it's here.

[00:46:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Awkward moments, they probably take like a few seconds.

[00:46:28] [SPEAKER_00]: But at the moment, it feels like, oh my God, this is not ending.

[00:46:32] [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?

[00:46:32] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's how technical difficulties are especially right.

[00:46:37] [SPEAKER_02]: If you know what we were talking about before when you were talking

[00:46:39] [SPEAKER_02]: about the mixing and making sure they were in a zone and people are feeling

[00:46:42] [SPEAKER_02]: like, and then you drop a banner and then just stops.

[00:46:45] [SPEAKER_00]: You're like, yeah, right?

[00:46:47] [SPEAKER_00]: And the music drivers like, oh my God, you're like, Jesus.

[00:46:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:46:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:46:54] [SPEAKER_00]: So it's all about how you bounce back, how you bounce back from that.

[00:46:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Right. Yeah.

[00:47:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Make a joke or whatever I like do it.

[00:47:04] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I feel like I did it the day you're there to entertain.

[00:47:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:47:08] [SPEAKER_00]: It can come in different forms, right?

[00:47:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.

[00:47:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Especially when the song goes away.

[00:47:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah. No.

[00:47:17] [SPEAKER_02]: OK, freshers of being a DJ man, freshers, but it's all good.

[00:47:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Resilience bouncing back.

[00:47:22] [SPEAKER_02]: OK, so this is great.

[00:47:24] [SPEAKER_02]: So all right, I want to move on to talk to you about your personal music

[00:47:27] [SPEAKER_02]: experiences then, yeah?

[00:47:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And this is more just around Kizomba as a whole.

[00:47:32] [SPEAKER_02]: And you said it obviously is a hobby and you do it now quite a lot.

[00:47:37] [SPEAKER_02]: But how has it shaped your life?

[00:47:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Bit of a maybe a bit of a serious question.

[00:47:42] [SPEAKER_02]: But how basically how does the impact of Kizomba influence your your own life?

[00:47:46] [SPEAKER_00]: So Kizomba influenced my life in like in three in three aspects.

[00:47:52] [SPEAKER_00]: The number one aspect was cultural.

[00:47:55] [SPEAKER_00]: I especially being because we never speak of culture in the pop world,

[00:48:01] [SPEAKER_00]: if that makes sense, because.

[00:48:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Can I just sorry, because I'm just conscious of some people might be new

[00:48:06] [SPEAKER_02]: listening to the podcast.

[00:48:07] [SPEAKER_02]: So when you say pallop, just very briefly just say it's all they can understand.

[00:48:10] [SPEAKER_00]: These countries that speak Portuguese, right?

[00:48:13] [SPEAKER_00]: African countries speak Portuguese.

[00:48:14] [SPEAKER_00]: That's what I love to me.

[00:48:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I is a place is African African countries of Portuguese languages.

[00:48:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, cool. What means, right?

[00:48:24] [SPEAKER_00]: So going back to what I say, I never had to think.

[00:48:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Remember, I'm sorry, I never have to think or remember or speak about

[00:48:36] [SPEAKER_00]: culture within the pallop world.

[00:48:38] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I'm making sense, like because we just we're just being.

[00:48:43] [SPEAKER_00]: I never had to speak about the styles of Kizomba, the way of

[00:48:49] [SPEAKER_00]: within the pallop parties.

[00:48:51] [SPEAKER_00]: I never had to do that.

[00:48:53] [SPEAKER_00]: So and that's where and when obviously when I when I migrated to the

[00:48:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Kizomba Festival World now I had to speak on that.

[00:49:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Right? Because because you have to speak on that.

[00:49:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Because now you see that there is something different here.

[00:49:08] [SPEAKER_00]: And there's there's a lot of miscommunication as far as what is what,

[00:49:13] [SPEAKER_00]: right? Because in the pallop world we just know it.

[00:49:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Right? It's the best example that I can give is like, say, for example,

[00:49:21] [SPEAKER_00]: you never has anybody have a question, how do you walk?

[00:49:25] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, walk.

[00:49:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Just walk. Yeah.

[00:49:27] [SPEAKER_00]: But now imagine that you go somewhere where people actually are flying and walking.

[00:49:32] [SPEAKER_00]: That makes any sense.

[00:49:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Right? Now you have to be confronted with the fact of how do I walk?

[00:49:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Right?

[00:49:39] [SPEAKER_00]: So that's that's in the best way that I can think possibly.

[00:49:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Right? So when I when I started doing that, when I started being when I became

[00:49:46] [SPEAKER_00]: part of the Kizomba Festival World now I had to and I didn't even know

[00:49:51] [SPEAKER_00]: that I had a lot of knowledge because that is the word is it's not

[00:49:56] [SPEAKER_00]: that the knowledge was never tested.

[00:49:58] [SPEAKER_00]: It was there was no need.

[00:49:59] [SPEAKER_00]: It was just something that I knew.

[00:50:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Right? Like those things were my day to day.

[00:50:05] [SPEAKER_00]: And it was my day to day.

[00:50:06] [SPEAKER_00]: I never had to explain someone what is what.

[00:50:10] [SPEAKER_00]: In the Kizomba, I had to explain, for example,

[00:50:13] [SPEAKER_00]: the best example that I can give you is let's just talk about Tarashia.

[00:50:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Right?

[00:50:18] [SPEAKER_00]: In the pallop world, I never had to explain someone.

[00:50:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, you know, we use Tarashia to pick up girls.

[00:50:24] [SPEAKER_00]: I know people don't like to hear that, but that's the reality.

[00:50:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Tarashia music, it was mostly to that's the reason why you don't.

[00:50:31] [SPEAKER_00]: You only dance Tarashia with either in the

[00:50:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Pallop World with either your mate or somebody that you're interested in.

[00:50:37] [SPEAKER_00]: That's a communication that is mutual across the board.

[00:50:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Right? But now here on this side, now I have to explain that.

[00:50:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Right? And people and when I explain that, people are like, oh, wow, really?

[00:50:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Am I well?

[00:50:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and the memory train that no, they don't know that.

[00:50:58] [SPEAKER_00]: So stop like because I keep I kept forgetting that I'm not talking to

[00:51:04] [SPEAKER_00]: people that grew up and were born with the same thing as me.

[00:51:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly. Right?

[00:51:08] [SPEAKER_00]: So I have to always train myself and be like, no, no, no, they really don't

[00:51:11] [SPEAKER_00]: know that right and they might even push back in

[00:51:15] [SPEAKER_00]: and knowing the wise and why this, why that right.

[00:51:19] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's what because a lot of times just giving the information,

[00:51:22] [SPEAKER_00]: giving the information, it's it's superficial.

[00:51:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it's quick. Boom. There you go.

[00:51:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Why is this called a virgula?

[00:51:30] [SPEAKER_00]: You can give the information.

[00:51:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry. Sorry. This is a virgula.

[00:51:33] [SPEAKER_00]: You gave the information.

[00:51:34] [SPEAKER_00]: It has more, it has more, more value, has more, it plays more impact

[00:51:40] [SPEAKER_00]: when you explain the why behind it.

[00:51:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what I mean?

[00:51:44] [SPEAKER_00]: I never knew that I knew the why.

[00:51:47] [SPEAKER_00]: I know that I knew the why is until I start actually talking about

[00:51:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Tina Devi because the why was a day to day event for me.

[00:51:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right? It was a day to day.

[00:51:58] [SPEAKER_00]: I would go to a party and I'm not going to I'm going to ask her to dance

[00:52:02] [SPEAKER_00]: to Russia and if she says yes, chances are she's single.

[00:52:05] [SPEAKER_00]: That's just what it was.

[00:52:07] [SPEAKER_00]: No woman that has a man and her man is in a vicinity will dance to Russia

[00:52:12] [SPEAKER_00]: with you if she if she's not single.

[00:52:15] [SPEAKER_00]: They're not going to do that.

[00:52:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what I mean? So that's the why.

[00:52:19] [SPEAKER_00]: I knew the why, but it was always in there.

[00:52:21] [SPEAKER_00]: But now I have to explain that to a different demographic.

[00:52:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, for us, no woman will dance to Russia with you.

[00:52:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Unless she she she's not interested in you.

[00:52:33] [SPEAKER_00]: She's here to say so that has more value in terms of explaining what is why.

[00:52:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. So yeah.

[00:52:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:52:41] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, as we thought it,

[00:52:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm thinking you're going to have to come back and do another episode because it was

[00:52:45] [SPEAKER_02]: so much we got urban kids.

[00:52:48] [SPEAKER_02]: We didn't say the word that's talk of that.

[00:52:50] [SPEAKER_02]: We've got Tarish, you know, you've got different styles.

[00:52:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, anyway, I'm going to keep it focused right now.

[00:52:57] [SPEAKER_00]: As you can see, Kizoma is just this library of all information from present,

[00:53:02] [SPEAKER_00]: past and future.

[00:53:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. Right.

[00:53:05] [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah.

[00:53:09] [SPEAKER_02]: OK. OK.

[00:53:10] [SPEAKER_02]: So all right.

[00:53:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Still on musical preferences, so that's one thing.

[00:53:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Then OK, so you talked about the fact that to be a good DJ, you're going to be a

[00:53:18] [SPEAKER_02]: good dancer. Right.

[00:53:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I personally believe in that.

[00:53:21] [SPEAKER_02]: OK. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

[00:53:23] [SPEAKER_02]: It makes sense.

[00:53:23] [SPEAKER_02]: So just I mean, I just want to find out from you then.

[00:53:25] [SPEAKER_02]: So obviously you like to dance.

[00:53:27] [SPEAKER_02]: So what's kind of your preferred or what do you like more?

[00:53:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Kizoma, Semba, Zube, Tarashina, what do you what gets you going?

[00:53:35] [SPEAKER_00]: So me it's not about whether for Semba, Kizoma,

[00:53:38] [SPEAKER_00]: me it's about BPM for me.

[00:53:43] [SPEAKER_00]: OK. OK.

[00:53:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Let me rephrase that BPM and obviously what speaks to me.

[00:53:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:53:51] [SPEAKER_00]: What I say, for example, I can't dance slow song for two periods.

[00:53:54] [SPEAKER_00]: I can't.

[00:53:54] [SPEAKER_00]: To me is too.

[00:53:57] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to say boring, but I will

[00:54:00] [SPEAKER_00]: saturate faster if I'm on a slow pace song.

[00:54:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I'm a very energetic person.

[00:54:06] [SPEAKER_00]: We automatically if I'm dancing,

[00:54:09] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you know the BPMs or the songs more or less.

[00:54:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. Songs that BPMs like, so for example, a song that starts with 95.

[00:54:16] [SPEAKER_00]: It's it's already like very, you know,

[00:54:19] [SPEAKER_00]: once you start getting to your hundreds and that's a little bit more fast,

[00:54:23] [SPEAKER_00]: a little bit more fast pace, Kizoma, Kizoma, Kizoma, a lot of them,

[00:54:28] [SPEAKER_00]: they would begin from 100 to 104.

[00:54:31] [SPEAKER_00]: If you write not say that there's no kids over one or

[00:54:34] [SPEAKER_00]: but I'm saying a lot of them, that would be the range 100 BPMs to 105 BPMs.

[00:54:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Also, a lot of Kizoma like the vast majority of Kizoma, that's where the range

[00:54:44] [SPEAKER_00]: is going to be, of course, like and I say Kizoma that I like.

[00:54:48] [SPEAKER_01]: That that OK, yeah.

[00:54:49] [SPEAKER_00]: To me to dance, that's what it would be between 100 and 105 because it's

[00:54:55] [SPEAKER_00]: very energetic and so not to say that there's no there's no 90 or 95

[00:55:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Kizoma energy there is.

[00:55:02] [SPEAKER_00]: It's just that in my experience, the vast majority of song that will get me to

[00:55:08] [SPEAKER_00]: are a little bit more fast based, right?

[00:55:10] [SPEAKER_00]: That so that's that's basically it.

[00:55:12] [SPEAKER_00]: So it doesn't matter whether it's Kizoma, Coladera, Zook, if I'm in that range,

[00:55:17] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm good. OK, I'm actually good to go.

[00:55:20] [SPEAKER_02]: So you like the energy. Exactly.

[00:55:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I like you like you like far Semba then as well.

[00:55:24] [SPEAKER_00]: No. OK.

[00:55:26] [SPEAKER_02]: OK.

[00:55:28] [SPEAKER_00]: That is say, say, for example, I could do Semba for like a few.

[00:55:33] [SPEAKER_00]: The thing about,

[00:55:35] [SPEAKER_00]: for example, we have

[00:55:38] [SPEAKER_00]: three types of Semba, for example, right?

[00:55:40] [SPEAKER_00]: I know that the misconception is out there that if it's fast as Semba,

[00:55:43] [SPEAKER_00]: that's not true, right?

[00:55:46] [SPEAKER_00]: It's all we have different styles.

[00:55:49] [SPEAKER_00]: For example, we have Semba, the carnival, which is for Carnival.

[00:55:53] [SPEAKER_00]: It's some people dance it, but I wouldn't dance Semba to be very honest.

[00:55:58] [SPEAKER_00]: It's more carnival feel per se.

[00:56:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. Right.

[00:56:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Then there's what they call a Semba social, which sounds a little bit like

[00:56:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Kizoma has almost the same feel as Kizoma.

[00:56:12] [SPEAKER_00]: If you say it calls Semba social or cadenciado.

[00:56:17] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't like the word cadenciado.

[00:56:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Cadenciado means cadence, means.

[00:56:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Cadency.

[00:56:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't like I have a big sign.

[00:56:25] [SPEAKER_00]: I have a big war with this with this way of naming Semba.

[00:56:29] [SPEAKER_00]: The reason why is because when you say Semba with cadency,

[00:56:33] [SPEAKER_00]: you are implying that there's Semba without cadency.

[00:56:36] [SPEAKER_00]: OK. Every music in the world as long as this music has a cadence.

[00:56:39] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's OK.

[00:56:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Every music has a cadence, whether it's whatever music has cadence.

[00:56:44] [SPEAKER_00]: When you say Semba cadenciado means Semba with cadency,

[00:56:47] [SPEAKER_00]: you imply that there's Semba without cadency and there's no.

[00:56:50] [SPEAKER_00]: OK.

[00:56:51] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't like the name Semba.

[00:56:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I rather people call it Semba social Semba, if you will.

[00:56:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. Yeah.

[00:56:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that and then there's Semba show.

[00:57:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. Normally Semba shows tends to be very fast based, right?

[00:57:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Which allow the kids to do like all these tricks on and so forth.

[00:57:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Right. Yeah.

[00:57:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Now Semba show I could dance a few when I say a few I'm talking about three,

[00:57:13] [SPEAKER_00]: four, five after that.

[00:57:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Cool. I'm good on it.

[00:57:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. I'm done.

[00:57:19] [SPEAKER_00]: I like to be that's my range.

[00:57:21] [SPEAKER_00]: I like to be on that range.

[00:57:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Regular range. OK.

[00:57:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's cool.

[00:57:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Mama and Papa range.

[00:57:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, that's fine.

[00:57:29] [SPEAKER_02]: So personal preference.

[00:57:30] [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, yeah.

[00:57:31] [SPEAKER_02]: But I enjoy the music, man.

[00:57:32] [SPEAKER_02]: That's cool. All right.

[00:57:33] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's interesting to know.

[00:57:35] [SPEAKER_02]: That's interesting to know.

[00:57:36] [SPEAKER_00]: OK. Cool. Yeah.

[00:57:38] [SPEAKER_00]: And then again, that's the other ones.

[00:57:40] [SPEAKER_00]: But if you want to really keep me on dance floor,

[00:57:42] [SPEAKER_00]: you're playing good zoo, good Kizoma, good Coladera,

[00:57:46] [SPEAKER_00]: whatever, even even Semba, but in that range.

[00:57:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Or you'll keep me.

[00:57:50] [SPEAKER_02]: You'll be there. You'll be there.

[00:57:51] [SPEAKER_02]: That's right.

[00:57:52] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's one for your fellow colleagues to listen to.

[00:57:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Awesome. Let's go.

[00:57:55] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[00:57:56] [SPEAKER_02]: So all right.

[00:57:57] [SPEAKER_02]: So preferences.

[00:57:59] [SPEAKER_02]: So this is a slightly different kind of range of questioning.

[00:58:03] [SPEAKER_02]: But this is more about you when you're when you're DJing.

[00:58:07] [SPEAKER_02]: OK. And when you're so let me go back a second because you said that you like

[00:58:11] [SPEAKER_02]: it when people give you props or DJs like it when people give you props.

[00:58:14] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's cool. That's one for one for us to note as dancers, right?

[00:58:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And we should do that more.

[00:58:20] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's cool.

[00:58:21] [SPEAKER_02]: But what are the some of the things that we need to be mindful of and that you

[00:58:24] [SPEAKER_02]: don't like? So, for instance, you like don't ask for a request.

[00:58:30] [SPEAKER_02]: That's the question.

[00:58:31] [SPEAKER_02]: So the question is when people come up to you about request,

[00:58:35] [SPEAKER_02]: don't you don't like that?

[00:58:36] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[00:58:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Personally, here's the thing.

[00:58:38] [SPEAKER_00]: You'll never know that.

[00:58:40] [SPEAKER_00]: You know now.

[00:58:41] [SPEAKER_00]: OK. I don't like it.

[00:58:43] [SPEAKER_00]: I like it.

[00:58:44] [SPEAKER_00]: The reason why I don't like is because this is to me personally, I find that

[00:58:49] [SPEAKER_00]: it's a way of demonstrating that you do.

[00:58:53] [SPEAKER_00]: This is how I see it.

[00:58:54] [SPEAKER_00]: I know people say, yeah, but I really want my song to play.

[00:58:57] [SPEAKER_00]: I get that.

[00:58:58] [SPEAKER_00]: But to me in a way, you're being

[00:59:01] [SPEAKER_00]: this is a little bit of lack of awareness that that person might not only

[00:59:06] [SPEAKER_00]: there's other DJs that are going to come after him.

[00:59:09] [SPEAKER_00]: He has a he has a musical, a musical voyager happening right now.

[00:59:15] [SPEAKER_00]: And your song chances are and this is the funny thing that I always tell people.

[00:59:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Seven out of ten times, your song does not

[00:59:24] [SPEAKER_00]: will not will not be part of his musical journey.

[00:59:27] [SPEAKER_00]: It will not.

[00:59:29] [SPEAKER_00]: You know me and now you might find a DJ that really wants to please the person

[00:59:34] [SPEAKER_00]: here, he will have to disrupt his especially if he's on fire.

[00:59:39] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, don't get me wrong.

[00:59:40] [SPEAKER_00]: If your song just happens to to be part of what he was doing brilliant.

[00:59:45] [SPEAKER_00]: But a lot of times I promise it won't.

[00:59:48] [SPEAKER_00]: OK, a lot of times it won't be part.

[00:59:50] [SPEAKER_00]: And now you asking him to disrupt his musical trail.

[00:59:54] [SPEAKER_00]: That makes any sense.

[00:59:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Like you literally telling, hey, I don't get.

[00:59:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, great. You play great music.

[01:00:00] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't care not about that.

[01:00:02] [SPEAKER_00]: You need to play my song to satisfy me.

[01:00:06] [SPEAKER_00]: There's other people that I love you.

[01:00:08] [SPEAKER_00]: What you're doing right now is play my song.

[01:00:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I feel like people I know it sounds very harsh by saying that.

[01:00:15] [SPEAKER_00]: That's the part that people sometimes don't have that lack of a way.

[01:00:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Don't have the have a little bit of lack of awareness in that sense.

[01:00:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. Don't get me wrong.

[01:00:23] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't feel any type of I don't I don't get upset or anything like that.

[01:00:26] [SPEAKER_00]: When people ask me, right?

[01:00:29] [SPEAKER_00]: But I feel like people.

[01:00:30] [SPEAKER_00]: That's something that I want people to start training themselves.

[01:00:33] [SPEAKER_00]: When you go out to play a song, especially if he is in the zone,

[01:00:37] [SPEAKER_00]: you literally are requesting for him to disturb what he what he's going through.

[01:00:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. And also not only you ask you,

[01:00:45] [SPEAKER_00]: you're going to ask him to this for the various you actually disturb him.

[01:00:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Because a lot of times I'm like in a zone, I now have to stop

[01:00:54] [SPEAKER_00]: concentrating here because obviously we as a DJ, we have as we play music,

[01:00:58] [SPEAKER_00]: we start creating what we call a library of music in our head.

[01:01:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Because a lot of times, even though we have a playlist that we want to play,

[01:01:05] [SPEAKER_00]: sometimes it doesn't work.

[01:01:06] [SPEAKER_00]: So it's better for you to go off the top of your head.

[01:01:08] [SPEAKER_00]: OK, I play this song.

[01:01:10] [SPEAKER_00]: They'll definitely going to like that type of song.

[01:01:12] [SPEAKER_00]: So you start creating a library in your head when somebody come and you're

[01:01:15] [SPEAKER_00]: in the middle of of executing that library, right?

[01:01:19] [SPEAKER_00]: You do you execute in that library as you play.

[01:01:22] [SPEAKER_00]: So when somebody comes and talks to you about a song,

[01:01:24] [SPEAKER_00]: you have to look at that person and listen to what they're saying.

[01:01:29] [SPEAKER_00]: You have to say, oh, do you have that song?

[01:01:31] [SPEAKER_00]: What you have the song and you play that song?

[01:01:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what I mean?

[01:01:35] [SPEAKER_00]: I know it sounds like pretty quick, but that moment there,

[01:01:37] [SPEAKER_00]: it will be enough just to derail from where you were.

[01:01:41] [SPEAKER_00]: It is enough, right?

[01:01:42] [SPEAKER_00]: So that's the thing that people don't actually tell people if you're

[01:01:46] [SPEAKER_00]: really keen on to asking someone's music,

[01:01:49] [SPEAKER_00]: find a way to send it online.

[01:01:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Find a way to do that.

[01:01:53] [SPEAKER_00]: If you really want a DJ to play your song,

[01:01:56] [SPEAKER_00]: if you're not adamant about a DJ playing your song,

[01:01:58] [SPEAKER_00]: go online and send them a drop a message.

[01:02:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, I really like the song.

[01:02:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Is there any way that you can play it in a set?

[01:02:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Do that.

[01:02:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what I mean?

[01:02:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Because DJs appreciate that much more than in the moment.

[01:02:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Because now you're making the thing about you, about your likes,

[01:02:15] [SPEAKER_00]: about what gets you going, not what gets everybody else going.

[01:02:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Again, I didn't mean to rant on this, but that's just.

[01:02:22] [SPEAKER_02]: No, I feel in terms of requests.

[01:02:25] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not a rant.

[01:02:26] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's literally a question that I wanted to ask because I want to ask you

[01:02:30] [SPEAKER_02]: and obviously your fellow peers, because I see it, I see it a lot.

[01:02:35] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm just wondering, I'm just literally what you're saying.

[01:02:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm thinking you guys are in a zone.

[01:02:40] [SPEAKER_02]: But I don't know if some people might be OK with it.

[01:02:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Everyone's different, different, right?

[01:02:44] [SPEAKER_02]: But we need to be aware of what you guys are doing because you're

[01:02:48] [SPEAKER_02]: responsible for the night and you're focused on.

[01:02:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Is OK with what we're doing there?

[01:02:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm OK with that.

[01:02:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Me is this I'll take what you told me.

[01:02:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I might not, but I promise you if your song is part of one,

[01:03:03] [SPEAKER_00]: if your song is part of my set, it will go.

[01:03:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Or if I because a lot of times it might happen that you're the song

[01:03:09] [SPEAKER_00]: that you want me to play already have it.

[01:03:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, not only I have it, it actually goes well with my set.

[01:03:15] [SPEAKER_00]: OK, yeah, is a lecture.

[01:03:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Then I'll definitely play it.

[01:03:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what I mean?

[01:03:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely.

[01:03:20] [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm not going to sit here and go out of my way to if it's not part

[01:03:27] [SPEAKER_00]: of my set, I'm not going to go out of my way and play your song.

[01:03:31] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not you might be upset about that.

[01:03:33] [SPEAKER_00]: But it's just it is what it is.

[01:03:35] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, a party is not designed for one person, right?

[01:03:38] [SPEAKER_00]: This especially festival festivals designed for.

[01:03:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Tons of people, right?

[01:03:44] [SPEAKER_00]: So 100 percent.

[01:03:46] [SPEAKER_02]: That's how I personally feel.

[01:03:46] [SPEAKER_02]: No, it's great.

[01:03:47] [SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, we ask the question, you answer it and you give

[01:03:49] [SPEAKER_02]: a solution about going online because, hey, you can still get what you want.

[01:03:52] [SPEAKER_02]: If you do that way, so.

[01:03:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely. You as a matter of fact, I tell people,

[01:03:57] [SPEAKER_00]: you have a higher chance of a DJ playing your song if you DM him or even on

[01:04:02] [SPEAKER_00]: on the on the on the page that everybody's going there and blah, blah, blah.

[01:04:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you have a higher chance to have your song played that way, at least

[01:04:10] [SPEAKER_00]: with me, you ask is I way much greater that way than coming and buzzing

[01:04:15] [SPEAKER_00]: on someone's ear.

[01:04:16] [SPEAKER_00]: You shouldn't get you shouldn't even be there in the first place.

[01:04:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, this was again my next question, you know,

[01:04:22] [SPEAKER_02]: but it could all link it in.

[01:04:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you like people coming up to you saying hi?

[01:04:25] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I've seen some.

[01:04:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, look, it's all good.

[01:04:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Everybody will have to party, but I've seen people behind the DJ.

[01:04:31] [SPEAKER_02]: We've got to see.

[01:04:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Say hi. I really do.

[01:04:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:04:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Everyone is here.

[01:04:38] [SPEAKER_00]: I can see you here.

[01:04:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:04:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Hi.

[01:04:41] [SPEAKER_00]: I can see.

[01:04:42] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I mean you can wave at me and say hi.

[01:04:44] [SPEAKER_00]: And we'll acknowledge each other.

[01:04:46] [SPEAKER_00]: I just find it sometimes I find it unnecessary for you to come all the way

[01:04:51] [SPEAKER_00]: here, right?

[01:04:52] [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like in a zone playing whatever.

[01:04:55] [SPEAKER_00]: And then you're like hi and then because a lot of times a high is never just a

[01:04:58] [SPEAKER_00]: hi.

[01:04:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[01:05:00] [SPEAKER_00]: It's always hi.

[01:05:02] [SPEAKER_00]: What time did you get here?

[01:05:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Blah, blah, blah.

[01:05:04] [SPEAKER_00]: It's always like there's always that little extra come because if it was

[01:05:07] [SPEAKER_00]: really just a hi, you're here.

[01:05:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, hey, you know, it's a negative.

[01:05:11] [SPEAKER_00]: I will acknowledge you.

[01:05:13] [SPEAKER_00]: But when you come here, besides me, I always it's to me, at least in my experience,

[01:05:17] [SPEAKER_00]: it's never just a hi.

[01:05:19] [SPEAKER_00]: There's always an extra

[01:05:22] [SPEAKER_00]: convo on that.

[01:05:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my God, you're here.

[01:05:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I'm here.

[01:05:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my God, how long are you staying here?

[01:05:27] [SPEAKER_00]: And then do you know what I mean?

[01:05:28] [SPEAKER_00]: It's it's always that's that's that's

[01:05:31] [SPEAKER_02]: so yeah, that's totally fine.

[01:05:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's why I'm asking the question because I know, you know,

[01:05:35] [SPEAKER_02]: it also brings me back to the purpose of it and the purpose is for you to

[01:05:38] [SPEAKER_02]: understand what for us to understand what you guys do because we know your

[01:05:41] [SPEAKER_02]: professionals, you're in a zone.

[01:05:43] [SPEAKER_02]: You're trying to give us a good night.

[01:05:44] [SPEAKER_02]: So what do we need to be mindful of?

[01:05:46] [SPEAKER_02]: What do we need to avoid with you guys?

[01:05:48] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what we're trying to get at here.

[01:05:50] [SPEAKER_00]: So that's cool.

[01:05:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Things that, like I said, be mindful of whenever you decide that you're going

[01:05:56] [SPEAKER_00]: to go ask for a song.

[01:05:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, be mindful of that.

[01:05:59] [SPEAKER_00]: That's the reason that I mentioned before.

[01:06:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:06:02] [SPEAKER_00]: The say hi is exactly the same the same idea.

[01:06:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Be mindful that when you decide to come all the way here, you're going

[01:06:09] [SPEAKER_00]: to have a mini conversation with the person and you'll disrupt things.

[01:06:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Whether you again, I'm sure people never do that intentionally.

[01:06:16] [SPEAKER_00]: It's never intentional.

[01:06:17] [SPEAKER_00]: I know that even people that ask the request is never intentional.

[01:06:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Right?

[01:06:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:06:21] [SPEAKER_00]: The reason why I said just try to be mindful of things like that.

[01:06:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:06:25] [SPEAKER_00]: 100 percent.

[01:06:26] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, the two main things to me personally, that I want to that

[01:06:30] [SPEAKER_00]: I want people to be mindful of.

[01:06:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:06:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, and we're learning.

[01:06:34] [SPEAKER_02]: We're taking education.

[01:06:35] [SPEAKER_00]: So very, very, very, very important.

[01:06:37] [SPEAKER_00]: We have feelings too.

[01:06:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.

[01:06:40] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I have feelings.

[01:06:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes you might happen to see people's facial expression.

[01:06:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.

[01:06:50] [SPEAKER_01]: That's okay.

[01:06:52] [SPEAKER_00]: I was trying to tell people it might not sound like yes, we entertain as we

[01:06:57] [SPEAKER_00]: have but we have feelings to and those looks, those they actually.

[01:07:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks to the same.

[01:07:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Remember how I told you the same way that whenever you come to us

[01:07:06] [SPEAKER_00]: and give us props, you boost us up.

[01:07:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they can happen when you start rolling your eyes.

[01:07:12] [SPEAKER_00]: That does that brings our performance lower as well.

[01:07:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:07:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:07:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Those are the things that

[01:07:19] [SPEAKER_00]: and some people are very, very expressive on a dance floor.

[01:07:22] [SPEAKER_00]: So be mindful of it like that.

[01:07:25] [SPEAKER_00]: We might we might pretend that we don't see but we do see it.

[01:07:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Right?

[01:07:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:07:29] [SPEAKER_02]: We drop a song like 100 percent man.

[01:07:33] [SPEAKER_02]: 100 percent.

[01:07:34] [SPEAKER_02]: This is because on the conversation, this is what we're talking about.

[01:07:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Right? It's exactly what we need to know.

[01:07:37] [SPEAKER_02]: So yes.

[01:07:39] [SPEAKER_02]: OK.

[01:07:40] [SPEAKER_00]: That's the thing that I would say people just to be mindful of it.

[01:07:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, thank you.

[01:07:44] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[01:07:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Because that's cool.

[01:07:46] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[01:07:46] [SPEAKER_02]: So let's talk about this wonderful dance community that we have in Kazamba

[01:07:51] [SPEAKER_02]: because obviously it's vibrant, it's big, it's just big man.

[01:07:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:07:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Since I've been dancing, which is a long time, I think it's probably

[01:08:00] [SPEAKER_02]: starting 2009 or 10.

[01:08:02] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a long time and it's just, you know, evolved.

[01:08:05] [SPEAKER_02]: OK. It's got big.

[01:08:06] [SPEAKER_02]: It's great.

[01:08:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Big. I love it.

[01:08:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Don't get it wrong.

[01:08:10] [SPEAKER_00]: There's times

[01:08:13] [SPEAKER_00]: that it for lack of better terms that that I am disappointed.

[01:08:18] [SPEAKER_00]: There's times that I'm disappointed, but I never for one second thought

[01:08:22] [SPEAKER_00]: of quitting or getting out of it because I know that one thing that I wish

[01:08:29] [SPEAKER_00]: I have a conversation with friends of mine that and and this is an exercise

[01:08:32] [SPEAKER_00]: that I want most palobs to do is to and I blindly believe in that.

[01:08:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Kizomba, as in the festival format, it's now a culture,

[01:08:46] [SPEAKER_00]: not even a subculture.

[01:08:48] [SPEAKER_00]: It's now and this is the this is the I know a lot of us say, oh,

[01:08:52] [SPEAKER_00]: this is my culture, this isn't that.

[01:08:54] [SPEAKER_00]: But we keep forgetting one important thing.

[01:08:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Our culture, what we have in our mind as our culture is mostly what we

[01:09:01] [SPEAKER_00]: learn back home.

[01:09:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I'm by the festival format has it's nothing remotely like there's some

[01:09:08] [SPEAKER_00]: that besides the music, let's say the music and some then some way of dancing.

[01:09:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. But everything else, it's not.

[01:09:20] [SPEAKER_00]: It's nothing to do with what we know Kizoma back home.

[01:09:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. So not alone tells me that Kizomba in a in a in a festival

[01:09:26] [SPEAKER_00]: format has become its own culture.

[01:09:28] [SPEAKER_00]: The reason I think of this,

[01:09:30] [SPEAKER_00]: there's a lot of people that that do it all over the world.

[01:09:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[01:09:36] [SPEAKER_00]: It keeps changing like the dance keeps switching here and there.

[01:09:41] [SPEAKER_00]: There is there is a format there.

[01:09:43] [SPEAKER_00]: There's an etiquette.

[01:09:45] [SPEAKER_00]: That's the word that I was looking.

[01:09:46] [SPEAKER_00]: There's an etiquette whenever you go to a Kizoma festival.

[01:09:49] [SPEAKER_00]: For example, you know that on Friday, you have to dress like this.

[01:09:54] [SPEAKER_00]: On Sunday, you have to dress like that.

[01:09:56] [SPEAKER_00]: And on Saturday, you're going to dress like that.

[01:09:57] [SPEAKER_00]: If you know that these days, you have to dress like that.

[01:10:00] [SPEAKER_00]: What are you going to do on your day to day?

[01:10:01] [SPEAKER_00]: You're going to go buy clothes on your day to day to dress.

[01:10:05] [SPEAKER_00]: That's that's a culture.

[01:10:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Am I am I just I don't know.

[01:10:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[01:10:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Tell me good.

[01:10:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you also know that.

[01:10:12] [SPEAKER_00]: OK, you know what?

[01:10:13] [SPEAKER_00]: I need to dance as a woman.

[01:10:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I want to dance with that that that guy because dancing with the great dancers

[01:10:21] [SPEAKER_00]: will improve you that you know these these differences, these little nuances

[01:10:25] [SPEAKER_00]: that builds up furthermore.

[01:10:28] [SPEAKER_00]: We have I'll give you an example.

[01:10:32] [SPEAKER_00]: If you right now drop in, give me a name of a country.

[01:10:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Pick a country doesn't matter where the only thing is coming to me is Angola.

[01:10:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know that sounds crazy, but yeah.

[01:10:44] [SPEAKER_00]: My from Angola pick a country.

[01:10:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Even in Europe or whatever just Poland, Poland.

[01:10:51] [SPEAKER_00]: OK, perfect.

[01:10:52] [SPEAKER_00]: If you travel right now to Poland and you grab your phone and you go to Facebook

[01:10:58] [SPEAKER_00]: or whatever social media and you type in

[01:11:00] [SPEAKER_00]: hey, Kizomba people, people that dance Kizomba.

[01:11:03] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm in Poland.

[01:11:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Can anybody tell me where can I go to dance?

[01:11:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Kizomba, do you think people will answer to you?

[01:11:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they will answer to you.

[01:11:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Who's going to do?

[01:11:14] [SPEAKER_00]: So people who were in the know.

[01:11:17] [SPEAKER_00]: So people in your community of Kizomba culture.

[01:11:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it's no different than me going to somewhere and say, hey,

[01:11:25] [SPEAKER_00]: does anybody know what can I eat?

[01:11:28] [SPEAKER_00]: What restaurant they sell Fufu here?

[01:11:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Can I go to eat Fufu?

[01:11:32] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm from Nigeria.

[01:11:33] [SPEAKER_00]: I want to eat Fufu in this country.

[01:11:35] [SPEAKER_00]: That's cultural.

[01:11:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Somebody will answer you say, oh, go to that restaurant.

[01:11:39] [SPEAKER_00]: It's no different.

[01:11:40] [SPEAKER_00]: You get what I'm saying?

[01:11:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, it has its own set and rules.

[01:11:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Plus whenever you go to festival, what is the main goal?

[01:11:47] [SPEAKER_00]: The main is to social.

[01:11:48] [SPEAKER_00]: We say social about the ideas to dance as much as possible.

[01:11:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Right? Yeah, Angola culture.

[01:11:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Whenever there's a party, the idea is not that's as much as possible.

[01:11:57] [SPEAKER_00]: No, in Angola and Opalop culture, whenever there's a party,

[01:12:02] [SPEAKER_00]: the ideas to go to the bar have a few drinks talk.

[01:12:05] [SPEAKER_00]: That seems surprisingly is the cherry on top of the cake.

[01:12:10] [SPEAKER_00]: See that like that?

[01:12:11] [SPEAKER_00]: That's those are the difference

[01:12:14] [SPEAKER_00]: in settings, if you will.

[01:12:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Right? Like, for example, you don't you're never going to go to a Pala

[01:12:20] [SPEAKER_00]: party and see people changing shoes from the regular shoes to the dancing shoes.

[01:12:25] [SPEAKER_00]: You're not going to see that.

[01:12:27] [SPEAKER_00]: And if you see that, you'll see everybody in the party looking at

[01:12:31] [SPEAKER_00]: up, you see my point every minute.

[01:12:34] [SPEAKER_00]: What's happening?

[01:12:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Right? Meanwhile, that's the most natural and common thing in the Kizomba

[01:12:39] [SPEAKER_00]: festival setting.

[01:12:40] [SPEAKER_00]: People arrive with their bags, they'll change their shoes.

[01:12:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what I mean?

[01:12:45] [SPEAKER_00]: So that's that's what I that's all of these little new all of these components

[01:12:49] [SPEAKER_00]: together, they build a community.

[01:12:52] [SPEAKER_00]: And whenever you have a community, there's going to be called that there's

[01:12:56] [SPEAKER_00]: going to be a culture within that community.

[01:12:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what I mean?

[01:12:59] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's the reason why I say that Kizomba and I really want my

[01:13:04] [SPEAKER_00]: my peers like Angolan and and and and Palaops, I want them to kind

[01:13:10] [SPEAKER_00]: of train themselves that Kizomba in the festival format, it's its own culture.

[01:13:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it will be born out of out of the influence of Kizomba in its format.

[01:13:21] [SPEAKER_00]: But it in outside of that outside of the Pala, it is own culture.

[01:13:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Like it is on culture because we don't we don't we don't go to the social

[01:13:31] [SPEAKER_00]: setting the same way you don't go in Angola buying outfits for Saturday.

[01:13:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Wearing Samakaka on Sunday like African print on Sunday.

[01:13:41] [SPEAKER_00]: We don't do that, right?

[01:13:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Things you don't see there being a chat room just for that or a chat.

[01:13:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what I mean?

[01:13:49] [SPEAKER_00]: These things, yeah, not and the problem that we Pala have is that we always

[01:13:55] [SPEAKER_00]: lack of better terms is attack people for not doing the correct way when in fact

[01:14:02] [SPEAKER_00]: you asking someone that has a different sets in culture to do yours.

[01:14:07] [SPEAKER_00]: They're not they're not in yours.

[01:14:09] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I'm making sense.

[01:14:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I know any better.

[01:14:11] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's what it is.

[01:14:12] [SPEAKER_00]: What you would what what you grew up with.

[01:14:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that this but you want them to be part of you want them to act

[01:14:19] [SPEAKER_00]: the way they are here.

[01:14:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.

[01:14:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Makes any sense.

[01:14:24] [SPEAKER_02]: 100 percent.

[01:14:25] [SPEAKER_02]: And it totally makes sense.

[01:14:26] [SPEAKER_02]: It's even, you know, I know that

[01:14:28] [SPEAKER_02]: you know, I had some conversation with some friends, you know, when we

[01:14:31] [SPEAKER_02]: because we are where West, I'm not going to say Western lines, but it's just a

[01:14:35] [SPEAKER_02]: different way of growing up.

[01:14:37] [SPEAKER_02]: So some of them would get upset because they'll go out and

[01:14:41] [SPEAKER_02]: there'll be some Pala girls there.

[01:14:42] [SPEAKER_02]: They ask them to dance and it's like, that's like, hey, dude, it's

[01:14:46] [SPEAKER_02]: literally everything you were just saying about the culture.

[01:14:49] [SPEAKER_02]: That's why they're saying no, it's different.

[01:14:52] [SPEAKER_00]: For example, I when I grew up, that thing is on the Pala setting

[01:14:56] [SPEAKER_00]: in the area, the most normal thing that can happen to a man,

[01:15:01] [SPEAKER_00]: the most normal thing that happened to a man is a woman to tell you no.

[01:15:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Whenever you go after that, that

[01:15:08] [SPEAKER_00]: enormous, the way it works is you're going to get about five to six

[01:15:10] [SPEAKER_00]: know before you get at one.

[01:15:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. Yeah.

[01:15:13] [SPEAKER_00]: And normally if you're getting yes, it's usually people that you already

[01:15:15] [SPEAKER_00]: know your friends, you if you if you go here, they say yes.

[01:15:19] [SPEAKER_00]: That means they know each other.

[01:15:21] [SPEAKER_00]: We're talking about complete stranger or you will get a lot of notes.

[01:15:24] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's a nor it's normal.

[01:15:26] [SPEAKER_00]: It's normal.

[01:15:28] [SPEAKER_00]: But in this world, that's not normal thing.

[01:15:31] [SPEAKER_00]: It's actually

[01:15:33] [SPEAKER_00]: for lack of better terms,

[01:15:36] [SPEAKER_00]: poking an eagle if you will.

[01:15:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Because if a guy gets a no from a girl, oh my god, it's

[01:15:44] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah, the end of the world.

[01:15:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[01:15:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Or even if a girl, I'll say even when a girl ask a guy to dance

[01:15:50] [SPEAKER_00]: and he says no, they feel some type of way.

[01:15:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Do you know what I mean?

[01:15:55] [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm not in favor or nor against the whole

[01:15:59] [SPEAKER_00]: saying yes or say no, I'm not.

[01:16:01] [SPEAKER_00]: But that's how this setting works.

[01:16:04] [SPEAKER_00]: That's how they work.

[01:16:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.

[01:16:06] [SPEAKER_00]: On our setting, we work on things in a different way and remind you that

[01:16:09] [SPEAKER_00]: as we didn't get no, the way that women would tell us no is not just

[01:16:13] [SPEAKER_00]: because in the Kizomba Festival of Setting, if a lady tells you no,

[01:16:19] [SPEAKER_00]: she'll be very polite about it.

[01:16:21] [SPEAKER_00]: As a matter of fact, I bet you anything that most women don't say no

[01:16:27] [SPEAKER_00]: just because they're afraid of the future ramification.

[01:16:30] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I've seen ladies that she's tired, she dance right left and center.

[01:16:36] [SPEAKER_00]: A guy comes and ask her to dance and I can look into her.

[01:16:40] [SPEAKER_00]: I can I can see in her face that she wants to say no.

[01:16:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:16:43] [SPEAKER_00]: But she but I know at the same time, oh my god, I spoke,

[01:16:46] [SPEAKER_00]: spoke into ladies that they told me, oh, I didn't say no because

[01:16:50] [SPEAKER_00]: later on I might have wanted to dance with him and he's going to use that.

[01:16:54] [SPEAKER_00]: I guess me or he's out of his friends.

[01:16:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's that that thing right?

[01:16:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Meanwhile, on ours on the other side, you're supposed to get no.

[01:17:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:17:04] [SPEAKER_01]: That's exactly.

[01:17:05] [SPEAKER_00]: And you don't even like I said, the ladies are very polite when they tell

[01:17:08] [SPEAKER_00]: you no, they say, oh, if they tell if they get to the point of telling you

[01:17:12] [SPEAKER_00]: no, they'll tell you an excuse that even you feel bad about it.

[01:17:15] [SPEAKER_00]: On the other side, no, they don't even say they look at you up and down

[01:17:18] [SPEAKER_00]: and like, yeah, they don't.

[01:17:21] [SPEAKER_00]: They're rude about it.

[01:17:23] [SPEAKER_00]: They're like, you ask, can we dance?

[01:17:24] [SPEAKER_00]: She looks at you up and then like, come on.

[01:17:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Literally.

[01:17:28] [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I guess those are that that's those are the different nuances.

[01:17:33] [SPEAKER_00]: And I exactly.

[01:17:34] [SPEAKER_00]: And I want us to kind of be more in tune of what are we demanding from where?

[01:17:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. Where are we to demand certain things?

[01:17:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[01:17:44] [SPEAKER_00]: If if if we want, say for example, if people are coming to the Palo

[01:17:48] [SPEAKER_00]: upsetting, if they're all coming to the Palo upsetting, then I can demand for them

[01:17:52] [SPEAKER_00]: to do certain things the way we do it.

[01:17:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Right.

[01:17:55] [SPEAKER_00]: But now if we're going to if we're together creating a new setting,

[01:18:01] [SPEAKER_00]: if that makes any sense, because we didn't go there and they technically

[01:18:04] [SPEAKER_00]: didn't come here either.

[01:18:05] [SPEAKER_00]: We get the Kizomba in in in in the in the in the festival setting.

[01:18:11] [SPEAKER_00]: It was created together because remember that Kizomba rooms only started

[01:18:15] [SPEAKER_00]: in the salsa rooms.

[01:18:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[01:18:16] [SPEAKER_00]: There was a salsa party.

[01:18:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Now you create a Kizomba room.

[01:18:20] [SPEAKER_00]: So that means we created this together, if you will.

[01:18:23] [SPEAKER_00]: This we created together.

[01:18:25] [SPEAKER_00]: So if we created together, then there's got to be a give and take.

[01:18:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.

[01:18:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Dynamic, if you will.

[01:18:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:18:34] [SPEAKER_00]: There's got to be a give and take that.

[01:18:35] [SPEAKER_00]: That's how I feel in respect of that.

[01:18:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:18:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think the underlying thing from this part is just cultures are different.

[01:18:43] [SPEAKER_02]: That's the main point.

[01:18:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.

[01:18:48] [SPEAKER_00]: If there should be respected and yeah, yeah, I always tell people if you really

[01:18:54] [SPEAKER_00]: want to be part of the Angolan or the Bolog culture, you got to respect how it comes.

[01:18:58] [SPEAKER_00]: You can't just take the good and then no, I don't want the bad.

[01:19:01] [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no, no.

[01:19:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:19:03] [SPEAKER_00]: And you got to get everything.

[01:19:04] [SPEAKER_00]: This is not a buffet that you get to pick and choose what you want.

[01:19:07] [SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know what I mean?

[01:19:09] [SPEAKER_00]: And then discard what you don't want.

[01:19:11] [SPEAKER_00]: No, if you really want to be part of it.

[01:19:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Because I mean, as you know, there's no culture in the world that everything

[01:19:17] [SPEAKER_00]: about it is beautiful is great.

[01:19:20] [SPEAKER_00]: We were not attracted to everything about everybody's culture.

[01:19:24] [SPEAKER_00]: There's things that within a person's culture that you love.

[01:19:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my God, this is very.

[01:19:29] [SPEAKER_00]: But there's things that we're like, no, I don't really like this.

[01:19:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[01:19:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:19:32] [SPEAKER_00]: But if you decide that you're going to be part of that culture.

[01:19:36] [SPEAKER_00]: That's what it is.

[01:19:37] [SPEAKER_02]: You got 100 percent.

[01:19:38] [SPEAKER_00]: You got to embrace all its form the way it comes.

[01:19:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[01:19:42] [SPEAKER_00]: The good, the better.

[01:19:43] So.

[01:19:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Cool.

[01:19:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Cool.

[01:19:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Cool.

[01:19:46] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[01:19:47] [SPEAKER_02]: So random question.

[01:19:49] [SPEAKER_02]: What's the most unexpected place you've seen?

[01:19:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Kizomba?

[01:19:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Kizomba, dance it.

[01:19:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my God.

[01:19:55] [SPEAKER_00]: It is.

[01:19:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Most unexpected place that I've seen Kizomba being dance.

[01:20:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Asia.

[01:20:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[01:20:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Asia.

[01:20:06] [SPEAKER_00]: South Korea to be precise.

[01:20:08] [SPEAKER_01]: OK.

[01:20:09] [SPEAKER_00]: OK.

[01:20:10] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you expect salsa because salsa has like a huge popularity.

[01:20:18] [SPEAKER_00]: And but chat that I'll still I'll even say but Chata because now but Chata has this

[01:20:22] [SPEAKER_00]: explosion and this in one hour.

[01:20:25] [SPEAKER_00]: But I would not expect Kizomba for all four.

[01:20:28] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's that was that was even Cambodia, for example, Nepal spaces like

[01:20:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Nepal, Cambodia, the ones that really shocked my mind.

[01:20:38] [SPEAKER_00]: And North Korea, Nepal, Cambodia, where else?

[01:20:45] [SPEAKER_00]: There was one but it's mostly Asia to be very honest.

[01:20:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:20:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:20:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's in line because I had a while spoke to another DJ and China.

[01:20:56] [SPEAKER_00]: China too.

[01:20:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:20:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it was Japan, he said.

[01:21:02] [SPEAKER_02]: So but this is the thing, right?

[01:21:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Kizomba, you know, you're Angolan Gello.

[01:21:06] [SPEAKER_02]: So you're from there.

[01:21:07] [SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, your your dance is just taking over the world and it's going

[01:21:11] [SPEAKER_02]: into it's amazing.

[01:21:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely. Absolutely.

[01:21:15] [SPEAKER_00]: I must again, I'm not I'm so I'm happily surprised.

[01:21:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:21:19] [SPEAKER_00]: The better wording is I am happily surprised that is actually that that Kizomba

[01:21:24] [SPEAKER_00]: now exists in these places.

[01:21:27] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm happy surprise.

[01:21:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:21:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I must.

[01:21:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:21:30] [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm I'm from Ghana, which is not too far from Angola.

[01:21:35] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, we have I know we have high life.

[01:21:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we have high life.

[01:21:39] [SPEAKER_02]: We have Afro beats, but yeah, man, I wish we had Kizomba too.

[01:21:42] [SPEAKER_02]: But hey, it's all good.

[01:21:44] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[01:21:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[01:21:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[01:21:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.

[01:21:48] [SPEAKER_02]: So we're spreading that.

[01:21:49] [SPEAKER_02]: But we love we love the Angolan means well.

[01:21:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I love the Angolan music as well.

[01:21:52] [SPEAKER_00]: So on a one thing that is very surprising for me about Kizomba is

[01:21:56] [SPEAKER_00]: that there's more expansion in Europe than there is in Africa.

[01:22:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.

[01:22:06] [SPEAKER_02]: It's interesting, isn't it?

[01:22:07] [SPEAKER_00]: And that is very being that is an African dance.

[01:22:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:22:11] [SPEAKER_00]: It's it's very surprising to me that it has more expansion, more popularity

[01:22:17] [SPEAKER_00]: in Europe.

[01:22:18] [SPEAKER_00]: I'll even say in North America than in Africa.

[01:22:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:22:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:22:22] [SPEAKER_00]: You have so many different types of dance.

[01:22:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:22:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Africa mean maybe because of that.

[01:22:28] [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, that's something that is very surprising to me.

[01:22:32] [SPEAKER_02]: What I want to ask you as well.

[01:22:33] [SPEAKER_02]: What is kind of like the difference is you've seen so you're in Germany,

[01:22:37] [SPEAKER_02]: right?

[01:22:39] [SPEAKER_02]: So between Germany, Canada, you know, London.

[01:22:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I was going to say Angola, but I talked about that quite a lot.

[01:22:48] [SPEAKER_02]: But what are kind of some of the differences that you see with Kizomba?

[01:22:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, Sagan.

[01:22:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Cape Verde as an example too.

[01:22:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

[01:22:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Difference.

[01:22:58] [SPEAKER_00]: So Cape Verde, Kizomba night is in it doesn't exist.

[01:23:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[01:23:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Doesn't exist in a sense because the youth is the one with in Angola in Angola.

[01:23:16] [SPEAKER_00]: So okay, so I'm going to keep Verde are having in my opinion and I mean my

[01:23:22] [SPEAKER_00]: friends are kind of addressing that too.

[01:23:24] [SPEAKER_00]: We're having a generational cultural problem.

[01:23:28] [SPEAKER_00]: What do I mean by generational problem?

[01:23:31] [SPEAKER_00]: The youth, for example, the youth in Cape Verde, they're listen, they're not in tune

[01:23:36] [SPEAKER_00]: with Kizomba.

[01:23:37] [SPEAKER_00]: They're not in tune with Coladera.

[01:23:39] [SPEAKER_00]: They're more in tune with Afrobeat.

[01:23:42] [SPEAKER_00]: They're more in tune with Hip Hop.

[01:23:44] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Hip Hop has always been there, but they're more in tune with this type

[01:23:48] [SPEAKER_00]: of music.

[01:23:48] [SPEAKER_00]: So whenever you go to a club, you're not going to hear Kizomba.

[01:23:51] [SPEAKER_00]: In Cape Verde for sure you're not.

[01:23:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Right?

[01:23:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Unless you go to a party that is a tailor.

[01:23:58] [SPEAKER_00]: A tailor party, like say for example, today this guy is doing and usually a Kizomba

[01:24:03] [SPEAKER_00]: party will always be an old school.

[01:24:07] [SPEAKER_00]: It will have an old school connotation to it.

[01:24:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what I mean?

[01:24:12] [SPEAKER_00]: So if I say in Cape Verde, it would be very hard for you to go to a club,

[01:24:18] [SPEAKER_00]: a normal club and then they're playing Kizomba.

[01:24:20] [SPEAKER_00]: That's not.

[01:24:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Angola mainstream clubs are the same thing.

[01:24:25] [SPEAKER_00]: You're not going to hear Kizomba.

[01:24:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Forget about that.

[01:24:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Now there is places that tailor specifically for Kizomba and again,

[01:24:35] [SPEAKER_00]: they have the old school connotation.

[01:24:37] [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?

[01:24:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Like say for example, you have like monthly parties or there's also a place

[01:24:44] [SPEAKER_00]: and this is going to be a shocker for you.

[01:24:46] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a Kizomba party, but the main thing is salsa.

[01:24:51] [SPEAKER_00]: This is in Angola.

[01:24:51] [SPEAKER_00]: The salsa place that they play Kizomba at one point of the night.

[01:24:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what I mean?

[01:24:59] [SPEAKER_00]: And obviously there's put it this way.

[01:25:05] [SPEAKER_00]: You will dance more Kizomba right now in in UK on a weekday, then you will

[01:25:12] [SPEAKER_00]: dance in Angola.

[01:25:14] [SPEAKER_00]: We're talking about from Monday to Monday.

[01:25:16] [SPEAKER_01]: OK, fine.

[01:25:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. Like, yeah, example in UK, let's just think of London.

[01:25:20] [SPEAKER_00]: And Monday I can go there.

[01:25:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I can go Tuesday there, Wednesday there, Thursday there.

[01:25:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Friday. Oh my God, forget about it.

[01:25:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Friday you could go there.

[01:25:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Then there's the monthly parties from that person and this person.

[01:25:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what I mean?

[01:25:33] [SPEAKER_00]: A lot not even to mention that sometimes there's not even to mention

[01:25:37] [SPEAKER_00]: the festivals that there that happened.

[01:25:40] [SPEAKER_00]: You see where I'm going with this dance more Kizomba in in in London or

[01:25:46] [SPEAKER_00]: in UK in general, then you would in Angola because in Angola there's like designated places.

[01:25:52] [SPEAKER_00]: OK, if you can't just out of the block I'm going to go party and that no.

[01:25:57] [SPEAKER_00]: OK, OK, place that place Kizomba in salsa that day or Kizomba,

[01:26:01] [SPEAKER_00]: which is not really a club is just people in the streets and somebody

[01:26:04] [SPEAKER_00]: somebody with speakers playing Kizomba and then you'll dance or a party

[01:26:08] [SPEAKER_00]: that is tailor a monthly party that is like that's how do you know what I mean?

[01:26:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Cape Verde is even slimmer, right?

[01:26:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Cape Verde is even slimmer.

[01:26:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe how like family parties, of course, that's what they will play

[01:26:22] [SPEAKER_00]: like weddings and things like that.

[01:26:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, but we're talking about like going out at night in the same way that in London,

[01:26:28] [SPEAKER_00]: you go out at night and you're going to go to a hip hop and R&B club or you're

[01:26:32] [SPEAKER_00]: going to go to Afro B Club.

[01:26:34] [SPEAKER_00]: We in Cape Verde, you don't have that with regards to you don't have that.

[01:26:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you do have a little you have in Angola,

[01:26:44] [SPEAKER_00]: but it's not in abundance, especially because it comes from there.

[01:26:48] [SPEAKER_00]: You feel that because it comes from there, you have it like in a huge abundance,

[01:26:52] [SPEAKER_00]: right? But no, you don't.

[01:26:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Right? Wow.

[01:26:56] [SPEAKER_00]: That's so yeah.

[01:26:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. So that's interesting what you're saying about Angola.

[01:27:01] [SPEAKER_02]: But so that's all I mean,

[01:27:04] [SPEAKER_02]: what is it? Why do people love Kizomba so much?

[01:27:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Why is it taken?

[01:27:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Why? Especially Europe?

[01:27:12] [SPEAKER_02]: But I just, you know, more in Europe than in Africa.

[01:27:15] [SPEAKER_00]: It's what's the reason?

[01:27:17] [SPEAKER_00]: The reason and here's my personal opinion.

[01:27:22] [SPEAKER_00]: The one thing that Kizomba doesn't I know people don't believe that.

[01:27:26] [SPEAKER_00]: And Kizomba doesn't discriminate as much as people think that.

[01:27:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh no, there's no Kizomba.

[01:27:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Kizomba accepts everybody.

[01:27:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Of course, that every, every, every, every community has its bad apples and this

[01:27:39] [SPEAKER_00]: and that, but generally Kizomba does not discriminate.

[01:27:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what I mean?

[01:27:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Like what the fear rich, poor, tall, it doesn't.

[01:27:49] [SPEAKER_00]: The moment you're in, you'll be accepted.

[01:27:52] [SPEAKER_00]: That's just what it is. Right?

[01:27:55] [SPEAKER_00]: That's the one thing.

[01:27:56] [SPEAKER_00]: And then the second thing is that Kizomba

[01:27:59] [SPEAKER_00]: in the festival format has levels.

[01:28:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Right? What do I mean by levels?

[01:28:10] [SPEAKER_00]: I, what I like to do sometimes is I like to look at people's progression

[01:28:13] [SPEAKER_00]: from the moment in their first Kizomba class or their first Kizomba,

[01:28:18] [SPEAKER_00]: whatever, to three years down the line.

[01:28:21] [SPEAKER_00]: And what gives, what gives people addicted is the levels of Kizomba.

[01:28:27] [SPEAKER_00]: For example, you walk, how did, how did you hear about Kizomba?

[01:28:31] [SPEAKER_00]: He's not asking the very first time.

[01:28:33] [SPEAKER_02]: It was through a friend of mine who,

[01:28:37] [SPEAKER_02]: yes, our friend of mine just told me about Kizomba,

[01:28:40] [SPEAKER_02]: who now happens to be my wife.

[01:28:41] [SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, that's a whole different story.

[01:28:42] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah.

[01:28:44] [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm sure that she, she has a different journey too. Right?

[01:28:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's basically we used to dance salsa then started.

[01:28:52] [SPEAKER_00]: That's exactly, I knew you were going to do it again.

[01:28:55] [SPEAKER_00]: That's where I wanted to get.

[01:28:56] [SPEAKER_00]: So you start dancing salsa and then for some reason now this party has

[01:29:01] [SPEAKER_00]: two rooms and then your wife,

[01:29:03] [SPEAKER_00]: oh, you just happens to veer off to that room and say, oh, what is that?

[01:29:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's just Kizomba.

[01:29:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.

[01:29:12] [SPEAKER_00]: That's what you're going to do.

[01:29:13] [SPEAKER_00]: You're going to look at it and say, pretty interesting.

[01:29:15] [SPEAKER_00]: You'll leave it.

[01:29:15] [SPEAKER_00]: But then what's going to happen is you're going to see three times more

[01:29:18] [SPEAKER_00]: in three different party that you're going to go.

[01:29:20] [SPEAKER_00]: And now you know, OK, that was not just a fluke.

[01:29:23] [SPEAKER_00]: This is something that is here.

[01:29:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Let me find out more about it.

[01:29:26] [SPEAKER_00]: That's the stage one.

[01:29:28] [SPEAKER_00]: The stage one is let me find out more about it.

[01:29:31] [SPEAKER_00]: You're going to go in and then maybe you're going to take a class

[01:29:34] [SPEAKER_00]: and you're going to be as clumsy as ever.

[01:29:36] [SPEAKER_00]: You're going to say, this is not for me.

[01:29:39] [SPEAKER_00]: This is not for me.

[01:29:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Forget it. It's literally how it happened.

[01:29:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Nothing. Oh my God, you're going to walk out.

[01:29:45] [SPEAKER_00]: But somehow it might not be the next month or the next week,

[01:29:48] [SPEAKER_00]: but somehow he's almost going to circle around and come back to your life again.

[01:29:53] [SPEAKER_00]: He will do it because you're going to salsa.

[01:29:55] [SPEAKER_00]: You're going out.

[01:29:56] [SPEAKER_00]: You will seek his own again, especially now that it's getting bigger and bigger.

[01:30:00] [SPEAKER_00]: You're going to give it another try.

[01:30:03] [SPEAKER_00]: It will not be great, but it won't be as bad as it was the very first time

[01:30:06] [SPEAKER_00]: because now you're more of now you're you're going in now.

[01:30:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my God, what is this?

[01:30:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Now you're going in with a mindset of, OK, I know what is this.

[01:30:14] [SPEAKER_00]: And last time, whatever, I'm just here to have fun and you're going

[01:30:17] [SPEAKER_00]: to have a little bit more fun than you had the previous time.

[01:30:21] [SPEAKER_00]: OK, not that great.

[01:30:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Still you and you'll say to yourself,

[01:30:24] [SPEAKER_00]: I will still not prefer this over salsa.

[01:30:26] [SPEAKER_00]: I still like my salsa and this is something that I can probably you go three times

[01:30:32] [SPEAKER_00]: and you go by the time you get to your fifth time, you now know how to do a Saida.

[01:30:37] [SPEAKER_00]: And this is to that's that's where the Kizomba hook begins.

[01:30:42] [SPEAKER_00]: The moment you know how to do something,

[01:30:44] [SPEAKER_00]: your next question is like what else can I do?

[01:30:47] [SPEAKER_00]: If you see my point, you know, when I learn how to do this,

[01:30:50] [SPEAKER_00]: you want to learn how to do this and then you're going to OK.

[01:30:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Now what else now I need to go to a festival that has Kizoma.

[01:30:55] [SPEAKER_00]: That's your next step.

[01:30:56] [SPEAKER_00]: You go to the festival.

[01:30:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my God, I had a blast.

[01:30:58] [SPEAKER_00]: I dance minute, hold a whole lot of new people.

[01:31:02] [SPEAKER_00]: There's this and one.

[01:31:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Those people are in touch with you.

[01:31:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, you know what?

[01:31:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Did you like the festival? Yes, I did.

[01:31:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Guess what? In three months, we're going to that festival.

[01:31:10] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean,

[01:31:12] [SPEAKER_00]: you.

[01:31:13] [SPEAKER_01]: You see all that.

[01:31:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Right?

[01:31:17] [SPEAKER_00]: It's it's levels.

[01:31:18] [SPEAKER_00]: You're going by the time that you realize

[01:31:21] [SPEAKER_00]: the last time you dance salsa was four months ago.

[01:31:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you are literally talking my story.

[01:31:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Literally, that is literally what happened.

[01:31:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Literally to the point now we're doing a podcast about Kizoma.

[01:31:35] [SPEAKER_02]: We don't do salsa anymore.

[01:31:37] [SPEAKER_00]: A podcast about salsa, you couldn't be like that.

[01:31:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Right?

[01:31:42] [SPEAKER_00]: And then and then the part the part of Kizoma that now becomes

[01:31:46] [SPEAKER_00]: the addiction is when it actually speaks to you.

[01:31:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[01:31:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Because we all have things that naturally speak to us, right?

[01:31:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Whether it's with music, with dancing, there's things that speak to us.

[01:32:01] [SPEAKER_00]: For example, I've always liked hip hop and R&B.

[01:32:03] [SPEAKER_00]: I love it. I play it.

[01:32:05] [SPEAKER_00]: But if I tell you that in my soul, that it speaks to me, I would be lying.

[01:32:09] [SPEAKER_00]: I know the story.

[01:32:10] [SPEAKER_00]: I know the A&Bs, but it's in my core.

[01:32:14] [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't speak to me.

[01:32:16] [SPEAKER_00]: For example, you like salsa.

[01:32:18] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it was great, but it didn't really speak to you.

[01:32:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what I mean?

[01:32:22] [SPEAKER_00]: It didn't speak to you.

[01:32:24] [SPEAKER_00]: And Kizoma, you thought, oh my God, this thing speaks to me.

[01:32:26] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know what the hell they're saying in music.

[01:32:29] [SPEAKER_00]: I love it.

[01:32:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[01:32:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I have no idea what they're saying in this song, but they might even say

[01:32:36] [SPEAKER_00]: some obscene things in the song.

[01:32:37] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't care. Love it.

[01:32:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[01:32:40] [SPEAKER_00]: So that and that's that that's the addiction of Kizoma.

[01:32:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Sure is man.

[01:32:46] [SPEAKER_00]: You start identifying yourself and you can't get off of it.

[01:32:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Like you wake up listening to Kizoma, you go to sleep listening to Kizoma.

[01:32:54] [SPEAKER_00]: I know exactly what you mean.

[01:32:56] [SPEAKER_02]: You like my therapist here, man, but it's all good.

[01:32:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.

[01:32:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you answered the question anyway.

[01:33:01] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, that's why people love it so much.

[01:33:02] [SPEAKER_00]: It's for me.

[01:33:03] [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, that's that's the drug of Kizoma.

[01:33:06] [SPEAKER_00]: It's the steps to it is the levels that people start because you always find

[01:33:10] [SPEAKER_00]: something new just when I've seen it all.

[01:33:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wait a minute.

[01:33:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Now I know this.

[01:33:16] [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?

[01:33:16] [SPEAKER_00]: It's always a level to it.

[01:33:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, wow.

[01:33:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. OK.

[01:33:22] [SPEAKER_02]: No, great, great, great.

[01:33:23] [SPEAKER_02]: So what are your hopes then?

[01:33:25] [SPEAKER_02]: So obviously you've been DJing for a long time and dancer for a long time.

[01:33:29] [SPEAKER_02]: It's in your blood.

[01:33:30] [SPEAKER_00]: My number one.

[01:33:30] [SPEAKER_00]: What are your hopes because I'm going to feature my number one hope is that

[01:33:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Kizoma becomes mainstream.

[01:33:35] [SPEAKER_00]: That's my number one hope because as much as we we love to say that Kizoma

[01:33:41] [SPEAKER_00]: is is now popular is this in the reality is we're not mainstream yet.

[01:33:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. So much so that there's no if you go to a Spotify genre of music,

[01:33:51] [SPEAKER_00]: you're not going to find Kizoma right?

[01:33:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Or in the world genre of music, you won't find the word.

[01:33:57] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I'm making sense.

[01:33:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Like, say, for example, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[01:34:00] [SPEAKER_00]: A box right now in musical genre, you're probably going to find a world

[01:34:04] [SPEAKER_00]: classical this that you're not going to fight.

[01:34:08] [SPEAKER_00]: So.

[01:34:09] [SPEAKER_00]: So we're not mainstream yet.

[01:34:12] [SPEAKER_00]: OK. We can get there, but we're not yet.

[01:34:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. Yeah.

[01:34:15] [SPEAKER_00]: That's that.

[01:34:16] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's my dream.

[01:34:17] [SPEAKER_00]: My dream is that if you, for example, salsa, you go anywhere and they'll tell you,

[01:34:23] [SPEAKER_00]: this is salsa.

[01:34:24] [SPEAKER_00]: We know what is salsa.

[01:34:25] [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?

[01:34:26] [SPEAKER_00]: So much so that sometimes I to explain Kizoma have to use salsa as a reference.

[01:34:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what I mean?

[01:34:33] [SPEAKER_00]: I say if somebody if I if I if somebody asked me, oh, what kind of music?

[01:34:37] [SPEAKER_00]: I DJ Kizoma like what is Kizoma?

[01:34:40] [SPEAKER_00]: What is that like salsa to explain in the closest way that I have to explain?

[01:34:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you know salsa?

[01:34:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Then I know salsa.

[01:34:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's kind of like that, but not like that.

[01:34:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. Yeah.

[01:34:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. I have to say the same thing.

[01:34:53] [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, as a reference to explain that tells me that Kizoma is not a mainstream

[01:34:59] [SPEAKER_00]: board and or dance. Right.

[01:35:00] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's my dream.

[01:35:01] [SPEAKER_00]: My dream is that Kizoma becomes a mainstream music and dance.

[01:35:06] [SPEAKER_02]: We do that.

[01:35:06] [SPEAKER_00]: No. To do so.

[01:35:07] [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah.

[01:35:08] [SPEAKER_02]: No, that's yeah.

[01:35:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And we'll definitely well, it's definitely going to happen.

[01:35:12] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's definitely going to happen.

[01:35:13] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[01:35:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not 10 percent.

[01:35:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Hopefully, is it time?

[01:35:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely.

[01:35:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I just want to thank you again for joining us because we've got a great conversation here.

[01:35:23] [SPEAKER_02]: But before we let you go, a couple more questions for you and find out what I

[01:35:27] [SPEAKER_02]: want you to tell us what are some of the future projects that you have going on

[01:35:31] [SPEAKER_02]: for yourself personally, where can we and also where can we find you?

[01:35:35] [SPEAKER_02]: All those kind of things.

[01:35:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much for giving me the floor because I'm going to kind of do a

[01:35:39] [SPEAKER_00]: little plug here for my.

[01:35:40] [SPEAKER_00]: So for those in the UK that don't know around the world,

[01:35:45] [SPEAKER_00]: they're going to be watching this.

[01:35:46] [SPEAKER_00]: I host a festival in Toronto called Talk the Weekend.

[01:35:49] [SPEAKER_00]: It happens in the month of May from the 17th of May all the way to the 21st of May.

[01:35:54] [SPEAKER_00]: All right.

[01:35:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, I have we have an amazing line of instructors and the goal.

[01:36:01] [SPEAKER_00]: One of the main goals in my festival is to expose music and dance at the same

[01:36:07] [SPEAKER_00]: time. So that's why I always have a singer.

[01:36:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. Because I really strongly believe that every person that danced to a song

[01:36:14] [SPEAKER_00]: needs to know who sings that song.

[01:36:17] [SPEAKER_00]: I blindly believe in that.

[01:36:19] [SPEAKER_00]: You cannot tell me, oh my God, this is my favorite song.

[01:36:22] [SPEAKER_00]: You don't even know who sings it.

[01:36:24] [SPEAKER_00]: There's got to that union has to be so that's one of the major

[01:36:31] [SPEAKER_00]: points of of of top top the weekend is in Toronto.

[01:36:34] [SPEAKER_00]: As I said, again from the 17th to the 21st of May every year.

[01:36:39] [SPEAKER_00]: We never change.

[01:36:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, we change the dates sometime maybe one week and before.

[01:36:43] [SPEAKER_00]: No, maybe one week and after but never before.

[01:36:46] [SPEAKER_00]: So that's that's the top festival.

[01:36:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm also a co-partner on another festival.

[01:36:51] [SPEAKER_00]: And this is for the my for the people in the UK.

[01:36:54] [SPEAKER_00]: I know that going to Toronto might not be as appealing.

[01:36:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, it's costly and I understand all that.

[01:37:00] [SPEAKER_00]: But there's just another event that I'm part with.

[01:37:02] [SPEAKER_00]: It's Intended Eve.

[01:37:03] [SPEAKER_00]: It calls Asembora.

[01:37:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Asembora Tenerife Kizomba Festival is a partner.

[01:37:09] [SPEAKER_00]: It's myself, Rico and Kako Palazuela.

[01:37:12] [SPEAKER_00]: So we're basically on this venture together, obviously.

[01:37:15] [SPEAKER_00]: That's another event that I highly, highly, highly recommend,

[01:37:18] [SPEAKER_00]: especially people from from the UK because this event have.

[01:37:21] [SPEAKER_00]: I know that flies to Tenerife in UK.

[01:37:25] [SPEAKER_00]: They tend to be quite accessible.

[01:37:27] [SPEAKER_00]: This event happens on from the 3rd of October all the way to the 7th.

[01:37:32] [SPEAKER_00]: It's it's a five days, five day event.

[01:37:35] [SPEAKER_00]: The reason why is a five day event is because

[01:37:39] [SPEAKER_00]: it's it's it's in a resort, all inclusive resort prices are amazing.

[01:37:44] [SPEAKER_00]: The prices are very, very affordable, all inclusive resort like we talking about

[01:37:48] [SPEAKER_00]: food, open bar for drink enthusiasts.

[01:37:54] [SPEAKER_00]: So they have open bar there and the prices are really amazing.

[01:37:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Plastic and Tenerife, great weather at all times.

[01:38:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, check out anybody that wants to know more about these events.

[01:38:05] [SPEAKER_00]: You can always send me a DM on Facebook or on WhatsApp or sorry,

[01:38:10] [SPEAKER_00]: or on Instagram.

[01:38:12] [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, those are the major events that I'm part of it right now.

[01:38:15] [SPEAKER_00]: And if you're ever in Hamburg, I have I host every other Sunday.

[01:38:19] [SPEAKER_00]: I hope I host a Matine Kizoma night here in Hamburg.

[01:38:23] [SPEAKER_00]: If you're ever in Hamburg, hit me up.

[01:38:25] [SPEAKER_00]: I'll let you know when what days are happening.

[01:38:27] [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, you can come and check it out.

[01:38:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Those are not involved right now.

[01:38:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, right now.

[01:38:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Future I have a few projects coming up,

[01:38:36] [SPEAKER_00]: including a podcast as well.

[01:38:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, great.

[01:38:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Which we already did one, but we're kind of I want to branch out

[01:38:42] [SPEAKER_00]: to a different type style of podcast as one of them and also an event here in Hamburg.

[01:38:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I used to have an event here.

[01:38:50] [SPEAKER_00]: I used to have an event here in Hamburg called Jinga.

[01:38:52] [SPEAKER_00]: I was part of I was partners with with with another person here in Hamburg.

[01:38:57] [SPEAKER_00]: The events stop, but I want to be able to have an event here in Hamburg.

[01:39:01] [SPEAKER_00]: It's coming in the near future.

[01:39:04] [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, those are those are the events.

[01:39:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Those are my projects at this point in time.

[01:39:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Great, great.

[01:39:08] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's just your scala on the Instagram and Facebook.

[01:39:12] [SPEAKER_00]: So on Facebook is Gallow Super and on Instagram is SuperGallow26.

[01:39:19] [SPEAKER_02]: OK, so you heard it there people.

[01:39:22] [SPEAKER_02]: That's how you get in touch.

[01:39:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.

[01:39:24] [SPEAKER_00]: DJ Gallow26.

[01:39:25] [SPEAKER_02]: DJ Gallow26.

[01:39:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you heard it again.

[01:39:29] [SPEAKER_00]: I was very confused between both.

[01:39:31] [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, those are those are the places that you guys can always reach me either

[01:39:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Instagram or Facebook.

[01:39:37] [SPEAKER_02]: No, cool, cool.

[01:39:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, you're great at what you do.

[01:39:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.

[01:39:42] [SPEAKER_02]: There might be people listening or watching this thinking, you know what?

[01:39:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I want to be a DJ or I want to get involved.

[01:39:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I want to do that.

[01:39:48] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I've got a passion for it.

[01:39:49] [SPEAKER_02]: What advice you give me to that?

[01:39:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Advice number one.

[01:39:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I know it's going to sound very, very horny.

[01:39:55] [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to sound very cheesy.

[01:39:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Don't let people tell you that you cannot do otherwise

[01:40:02] [SPEAKER_00]: because the easiest thing to do is quit, especially after somebody tells

[01:40:06] [SPEAKER_00]: you don't really have a feel for this.

[01:40:09] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's the number one advice that I tell.

[01:40:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Don't let people tell you how you should do it.

[01:40:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Now not what to do.

[01:40:16] [SPEAKER_00]: But not that you should not do it.

[01:40:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.

[01:40:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Is how you should do it?

[01:40:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Don't let people to tell you how you should do it.

[01:40:22] [SPEAKER_00]: The reason why I say that's because

[01:40:25] [SPEAKER_00]: one of the most important things about being a DJ is creating an identity.

[01:40:29] [SPEAKER_00]: You have to create your own identity.

[01:40:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[01:40:32] [SPEAKER_00]: And when people tell you how you should go about it or how you should,

[01:40:35] [SPEAKER_00]: it's no longer yours.

[01:40:37] [SPEAKER_00]: It's someone else telling something for you if that makes any sense.

[01:40:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[01:40:42] [SPEAKER_00]: You have to create your own identity.

[01:40:43] [SPEAKER_00]: That's number one.

[01:40:44] [SPEAKER_00]: And number two, just pick up a laptop or whatever and start doing it.

[01:40:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Just just start doing it.

[01:40:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I know it sounds very

[01:40:53] [SPEAKER_00]: all about what do you mean by said, do a party at home?

[01:40:56] [SPEAKER_00]: DJ for your friends every time you have friends over DJ for them and

[01:41:01] [SPEAKER_00]: go from there. Just start doing whatever it is.

[01:41:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Just start doing it.

[01:41:05] [SPEAKER_00]: That's fantastic.

[01:41:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Take action and just start.

[01:41:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's great advice.

[01:41:10] [SPEAKER_02]: So anybody thinking of becoming a DJ and just just listen to that.

[01:41:14] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's great.

[01:41:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you, Gelo.

[01:41:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Look, I keep saying just before we let you go, but we've got one more thing.

[01:41:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:41:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I've got some we got some questions on

[01:41:22] [SPEAKER_02]: the conversations that we like to just have a bit of fun with.

[01:41:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Right. So we have we have three cards.

[01:41:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Right here.

[01:41:29] [SPEAKER_02]: You can see the different colors.

[01:41:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Yellow and red. Is that correct?

[01:41:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so yeah, red, yellow and green as well.

[01:41:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[01:41:37] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[01:41:38] [SPEAKER_02]: So I have to pick one.

[01:41:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, well, you've got to pick two and the last one I'll answer.

[01:41:44] [SPEAKER_02]: But so tell me which color you like to go for.

[01:41:47] [SPEAKER_00]: I want to go for the red one.

[01:41:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Red one.

[01:41:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Right. OK, so the red one question is

[01:41:55] [SPEAKER_02]: we may have touched on this already, but it says how has the Kizumba scene changed

[01:41:59] [SPEAKER_02]: since you first started?

[01:42:02] [SPEAKER_00]: DJ, I'm going to say how has it changed since I first started DJ?

[01:42:07] [SPEAKER_00]: It became bigger.

[01:42:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Bigger.

[01:42:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's gotten bigger.

[01:42:11] [SPEAKER_00]: That's how I would say it changed.

[01:42:12] [SPEAKER_02]: It's gotten way, way.

[01:42:14] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, because I think we spoke about well, we spoke about how international

[01:42:17] [SPEAKER_02]: is going to look, but OK, yeah, so it's got bigger.

[01:42:20] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[01:42:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Next one.

[01:42:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll go for the green.

[01:42:25] [SPEAKER_02]: OK.

[01:42:28] [SPEAKER_02]: So if your music device was stuck was stuck on one Kizumba song continuously,

[01:42:37] [SPEAKER_02]: what would it be?

[01:42:39] [SPEAKER_02]: On your music device is just stuck.

[01:42:41] [SPEAKER_02]: You can't play anything else.

[01:42:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Currently right now, what would that song be?

[01:42:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Currently right now.

[01:42:46] [SPEAKER_00]: What would that song be?

[01:42:50] [SPEAKER_00]: OK.

[01:42:52] [SPEAKER_00]: It would be I'm going to say this one just because that's what I'm feeling right now.

[01:42:57] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a song by Yuri Dacuia and Yuri Dacuia and

[01:43:04] [SPEAKER_00]: it's called it's called Lamento de Garina.

[01:43:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Lamento de Garina.

[01:43:10] [SPEAKER_00]: OK, that's the title.

[01:43:11] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a Yuri Dacuia and Presilia.

[01:43:14] [SPEAKER_02]: OK, all right.

[01:43:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Featuring Yuri Dacuia.

[01:43:18] [SPEAKER_00]: OK, because that's the song that I'm like literally vibing to right now.

[01:43:21] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what you're vibing to now.

[01:43:22] [SPEAKER_00]: It's full of energy every time you drop people always like on a dance floor

[01:43:28] [SPEAKER_00]: like nonstop and it's not only in Kizumba even in Angola too.

[01:43:32] [SPEAKER_02]: OK.

[01:43:33] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like to me is the banger of the moment to me.

[01:43:35] [SPEAKER_02]: OK, yeah.

[01:43:36] [SPEAKER_02]: So people make sure you check it out.

[01:43:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:43:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Go for it.

[01:43:40] [SPEAKER_02]: OK, all right.

[01:43:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Lamento de Garina by Presilia and Yuri Dacuia.

[01:43:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right here. OK.

[01:43:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Last question, the one you avoided yellow.

[01:43:50] [SPEAKER_02]: So for me.

[01:43:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I would have liked to have seen what you said to this.

[01:43:53] [SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, it says if you could invite a famous person dead or alive

[01:43:57] [SPEAKER_02]: to dance Kizumba with you, who would it be and why?

[01:44:00] [SPEAKER_02]: What a great question to follow or to lead or just.

[01:44:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's not specific, but I guess just to dance with.

[01:44:08] [SPEAKER_02]: So if you could invite a famous person that are allowed to dance Kizumba with you,

[01:44:12] [SPEAKER_02]: who would it be and why?

[01:44:13] [SPEAKER_02]: That's my question. It's not yours.

[01:44:16] [SPEAKER_02]: You can think about it as well.

[01:44:18] [SPEAKER_00]: You see, if I understand that when we're talking about famous person,

[01:44:21] [SPEAKER_00]: are we talking about outside of the Kizumba round?

[01:44:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, anybody.

[01:44:24] [SPEAKER_02]: So a famous person dead or alive, who, you know,

[01:44:27] [SPEAKER_02]: who you like to dance Kizumba with, who would it be and why would it be there?

[01:44:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's a tough one.

[01:44:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what I would say?

[01:44:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

[01:44:40] [SPEAKER_00]: That's, you know, I know I have one is going to sound very weird, but it's mine.

[01:44:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Cesarie Evera.

[01:44:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, who is Evera?

[01:44:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Cesarie Evera, she's like the queen of more now

[01:44:54] [SPEAKER_00]: from Cape Verde.

[01:44:55] [SPEAKER_02]: OK, OK, OK, OK, OK, OK, OK, OK, OK.

[01:44:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I would say the most famous Cape Verde in person.

[01:45:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I see. OK.

[01:45:02] [SPEAKER_00]: I would say yeah.

[01:45:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that makes sense.

[01:45:04] [SPEAKER_00]: It would be.

[01:45:06] [SPEAKER_02]: That's OK. All right.

[01:45:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Cool.

[01:45:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Why her though?

[01:45:09] [SPEAKER_02]: In particular, what's the specific?

[01:45:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Because because of her Cape Verde music, I say because of her,

[01:45:17] [SPEAKER_00]: I would say globally Cape Verde music became known.

[01:45:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. She's she's one she's one.

[01:45:23] [SPEAKER_00]: She's one if I'm not mistaken, a Grammy.

[01:45:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Grammy. OK.

[01:45:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. Yes.

[01:45:29] [SPEAKER_00]: OK. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:45:31] [SPEAKER_02]: It would be interesting.

[01:45:32] [SPEAKER_02]: OK, cool.

[01:45:33] [SPEAKER_02]: So because it was my question, I have to answer it right.

[01:45:36] [SPEAKER_02]: But thanks for your answer.

[01:45:39] [SPEAKER_02]: So my one's a bit strange, a bit weird, a bit different.

[01:45:42] [SPEAKER_02]: So do you know, do you know Paula Abdul?

[01:45:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. Yeah.

[01:45:49] [SPEAKER_00]: She was so you think you can dance or something like that?

[01:45:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, she's an American.

[01:45:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Something going on. Yeah, one of those things like that.

[01:45:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, something.

[01:45:57] [SPEAKER_02]: But the point of it is she is just an outstanding dancer,

[01:46:02] [SPEAKER_02]: not just an outstanding dancer.

[01:46:03] [SPEAKER_02]: She's a choreographer for so many people.

[01:46:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Lots of celebrities you've ever seen.

[01:46:09] [SPEAKER_02]: It's her choreography that said it.

[01:46:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Paula, OK, OK.

[01:46:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. And she she she is a dancer, a dancer.

[01:46:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Right. So it would be really interesting.

[01:46:20] [SPEAKER_00]: So bad in pick a dancer.

[01:46:21] [SPEAKER_02]: That's cool. No, no, no, it's cool.

[01:46:23] [SPEAKER_02]: But it'd be really interesting to see how she takes to Kazamba

[01:46:26] [SPEAKER_02]: how she kind of makes it her own and how she gets into rhythm.

[01:46:29] [SPEAKER_02]: It would be really right.

[01:46:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I would love to dance with her on that.

[01:46:32] [SPEAKER_00]: No, that's a good choice.

[01:46:34] [SPEAKER_00]: That's a very, very good.

[01:46:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Because now you're making me wonder what other dancers that you would try to put them

[01:46:40] [SPEAKER_00]: to Jackson, Nancy, Kazamba.

[01:46:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah. So that might be another question I have for another another guest.

[01:46:46] [SPEAKER_02]: But thank you.

[01:46:46] [SPEAKER_02]: So you give me another question to that.

[01:46:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.

[01:46:50] [SPEAKER_02]: But listen, Gallo, listen, man, it's been a great conversation.

[01:46:54] [SPEAKER_02]: It's actually what we're here for to talk things because on I've learned

[01:46:57] [SPEAKER_02]: so many things, so many things.

[01:47:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's been great to have you, the energy and everything else.

[01:47:03] [SPEAKER_02]: And like I say, maybe hopefully we can have you back.

[01:47:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Busy up.

[01:47:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about I want to say thank you to you.

[01:47:09] [SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate you so much for for doing this and further expanding

[01:47:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Kazamba, putting his own in a map with with platforms such as yours.

[01:47:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Say hi to your wife.

[01:47:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Big shout out to you.

[01:47:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I will.

[01:47:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you know what?

[01:47:23] [SPEAKER_02]: The funny thing is she introduced me to Kazamba.

[01:47:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's the reason why we're sitting here.

[01:47:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Right. So it has to go back to that.

[01:47:28] [SPEAKER_02]: So.

[01:47:30] [SPEAKER_01]: You know what it is much?

[01:47:33] [SPEAKER_00]: I'll be happy to be back whenever you are willing to help me again.

[01:47:37] [SPEAKER_02]: OK, thank you so much, sir.

[01:47:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you. So everybody, as always, thank you for tuning in.

[01:47:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Let us know what you thought of the episode, comments and everything.

[01:47:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And like I always say, keep dancing.

[01:47:48] [SPEAKER_02]: And we hopefully will see you on the dance floor.

[01:47:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Peace. Peace.